Halcyon BP and weight belt question

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jepuskar

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I'm curious as to what some of you do with the Halcyon Harness setup and a weight belt.

I have found that the natural position of the harness across my waist interferes with the position of my weight belt. In order to compensate for this, I would loosen the crotch strap enough to make the harness higher across my body, which allows the weight belt to sit were it should. This could be my problem with the rig riding up on me when im horizontal.

Has anyone attached weights to the actual harness waist straps, so that it acts like a weight belt? I didnt try this last night, but thought it would solve my problems.

Please help, I need lots of help. :)

Jason
 
99% of my bp/wings experience is based on diving with doubles. Only just recently purchased a single wing. However, from your post you should consider the following:
1. You will not have any ditchable weight by threading weights into the harness
2. If you use a canister light and place it from your waist it may be difficult to remove.
3. If you have to ditch your gear in open water, can you still float your rig now that the weight has been added to your harness?

A possible remedy would be to wear your weight belt on your hips which, should end up being slightly lower than your waist strap on your harness. Now I realize that many manufacturers now offer backplates in different lengths so this may not be possible in your situation.

Hope this helps, just my 02 cents worth.
 
I think that my weight belt sits low on my waist, so it doesn't get in the way of my harness. Try just having the weight belt lower.

Do not thread your weights on to the harness itself. Bad idea. You oculd look into getting weight pockets that are made for the harness. Halcyon makes some.

Oh and I wear my weight belt under my crotch strap, in case you come up with that question next.

:)
 
Thanks for the suggestions.

Wendy, I have the Halcyon ACB+ weight pockets, but do not like them. I only require 4lbs on my weight belt and having 2lbs in each of those pockets is not really worth it.

Up here I only have 4 lbs of ditchable weight, in the Caribbean I will probably not even have any weight besides my BP. I'm really not too concerned with ditchable weight.

I tried lowering my weight belt, but did not like that...I'm sure our bodies are not proportionate. I could get the tank trim pockets, which would give me my 4lbs...no ACB, no weight belt. As far as ditchable goes, I'm sure I could swim up my setup with no air in my BC...probably alot faster than ditching 4lbs of weight would do.

What do you think?
 
Jason,

You didn't indicate whether you're diving with single tanks or doubles, or doing technical or recreational diving. Regardless, you have a number of options.

IMHO - In many, if not most, cases 'ditchable weight' is highly over-rated.

In technical diving you either have a physical overhead preventing direct access to the surface or you have a decompression obligation which imposes the same constraint. Surfacing to solve a problem could, under the right circumstances, kill you or put you in a wheelchair for the rest of your life. This is not a situation in which you want to dump a weightbelt at depth and thereby ensure you won't be able to maintain your decompression stops or controlled (slow) rate of ascent.

In very few cases while recreational diving do you find divers dumping their weightbelts AT DEPTH. (If I'm not mistaken, in the PADI program there is only one textbook entry regarding jettisoning a weightbelt, and its under 'finding an unconscious diver at depth and bringing them to the surface'. Moreover, in the course you learn that you ditch their weightbelt AFTER you arrive at the surface and stabilize them for surface tow or emergency breathing.)

A good recreational buddy team will work together to calmly deal with the problem, abort the dive and return safely to the surface - ditching weight and punching out is not generally step 1.

With a bp/wing and single tanks you have the options of backplates that weigh 6, 9, or 12 lbs; and weighted Single Tank Adapters (STAs) that can be provided in 4 and 6 lb weights, and in either one or two piece designs that add still additional flexibility in terms of weight. Some divers thread weights onto their waiststraps. The disadvantage is not that the weights are no longer ditchable, but that they are in the way of other things that belong on your waiststraps.

Divers who use double tanks (including small sets of double 63s or 72s - not all double sets are exclusively for technical divers) may choose either V-weights (fit between tanks and bp) or P-weights (fit inside the channel of the bp) of varying lbs of lead (in addition to heavier backplates as noted above). V-weights and P-weights (also known as channel weights) are also called trim weights. They are usually cast of lead, however, some companies offer 'soft' trim weights made of shot-filled neoprene. These look like ankle weights that have been fastened length-wise to the backplate (which still other divers have done!)

With only 4 lbs on your weightbelt, you haven't got a huge issue. No matter where you wear your weightbelt, 4 lbs is unlikely to be terribly uncomfortable. But if you want to avoid having the weightbelt as an issue, you do have other options.
 
What's up Doc?

Thanks for the advice!

FYI...I am diving single and within recreational limits.

I think I might just go with the tank weights...keeps my front nice and clean. :)
 
jepuskar once bubbled...
Thanks for the suggestions.

Wendy, I have the Halcyon ACB+ weight pockets, but do not like them. I only require 4lbs on my weight belt and having 2lbs in each of those pockets is not really worth it.

Up here I only have 4 lbs of ditchable weight, in the Caribbean I will probably not even have any weight besides my BP. I'm really not too concerned with ditchable weight.

I tried lowering my weight belt, but did not like that...I'm sure our bodies are not proportionate. I could get the tank trim pockets, which would give me my 4lbs...no ACB, no weight belt. As far as ditchable goes, I'm sure I could swim up my setup with no air in my BC...probably alot faster than ditching 4lbs of weight would do.

What do you think?


The best thing to do might be to the use tank trim weight pockets but mount them on your waist harness adjacent to the plate.
Using one on each side you could mount up to 10 lbs of ditchable weight in a smaller package then the ACB.

A few of my friends have used this solution for single tank dives and they are quite happy with it.

How much weight you need to ditch all depends on the overall balance of the system and your ability to swim it up from depth with a wing failure and potientially your ability to swim it to the boat or shore once you make it to the surface.

Marc Hall
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Jason, Are you diving a STA? As mentioned above, a single tank adaptor can and will make up weight difference. For instance, when I dive salt water, I use a heavy STA. When I dive fresh, I use a lightweight. Right now, I am just right with BP and STAs. You don't need ditchable weight if you are neutral. You can swim it up. Trim is affected by where you wear your weight too. That's why weighting is important. The BP setup is designed to put the weight in the proper places and not spread it out. I am having custom weight pockets made to thread onto my webbing for increasing the mil on my suit for colder water diving - with more mil I have to add weight. But the idea is not for ditchable. BTW my BP is a custom short heavy so I start with 8 lbs.
 
I have decided and ordered the tank trim pockets. I really want a simple setup and I think with the idea of attaching them to my harness..that is pretty cool. I think I'll start with it on my tank and go from there.

Thanks for the ideas.

Jason
 

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