Had my first student today

[Wibble]

And this is my last post on this forum.
Take care all and safe diving.

Well done ScubaBoard.

The kind of enthusiast new blood that’s needed, now chased off by the pitchfork wielding mob.

 

[Scraps]

You weren’t there. You don’t know the people involved. You don’t know the circumstances.

All of the above are relevant.


Isn’t it great that a new diver gets some one-on-one time with a more experienced diver. Far better than being one student of 5 getting little or no instructor time as the sausage machine cranks out minimum skilled divers. For that was my recollection of OW training.

Oh, please do enlighten us, Wibble.

Tell us what circumstances and personal qualities of the people involved make it okay to ignore agency training standards and to let a new DMC with less than 50 dives provide instruction to people who paid to be taught by qualified instructors in good standing with the agency.

 

[Scraps]

Well done ScubaBoard.

The kind of enthusiast new blood that’s needed, now chased off by the pitchfork wielding mob.

Should we have pretended to be excited that he had fun pretending to be an instructor?

 

[JRK44]

Btw I once taught a trainee instructor diving physics.

I was 22 at the time and in the middle of a maths degree.
I understood it mathematically probably better than most.
Mathematicians are better at teaching maths than your average person off the street who happens to enjoy scuba in their spare time.

Ridiculous assumptions being made in this thread.
Sure, I didn't explain everything in post #1, and I still haven't because I can't be bothered, but that's no excuse for jumping to wild assumptions.

(and that really is my parting post)

 

[tursiops]

Btw I once taught a trainee instructor diving physics.

I was 22 at the time and in the middle of a maths degree.
I understood it mathematically probably better than most.
Mathematicians are better at teaching maths than your average person off the street who happens to enjoy scuba in their spare time.

Ridiculous assumptions being made in this thread.
Sure, I didn't explain everything in post #1, and I still haven't because I can't be bothered, but that's no excuse for jumping to wild assumptions.

(and that really is my parting post)

Good luck. Please don't kill anyone with your arrogance.

 

[JRK44]

Good luck. Please don't kill anyone with your arrogance.

Same to you pal.

 

[Edward3c]

Btw I once taught a trainee instructor diving physics.

I was 22 at the time and in the middle of a maths degree.
I understood it mathematically probably better than most.
Mathematicians are better at teaching maths than your average person off the street who happens to enjoy scuba in their spare time.

Ridiculous assumptions being made in this thread.
Sure, I didn't explain everything in post #1, and I still haven't because I can't be bothered, but that's no excuse for jumping to wild assumptions.

(and that really is my parting post)

The advice provided here was to protect you from being taken advantage of, not for your enthusiasm.

if you’re going to continue to teach for PADI et al in the U.K. you should become familiar with the Diving At Work Regulations 1997.

 

[chillyinCanada]

JRK44, please stick around. I can understand why you'd want to slam the door on your way out, but I'm hoping that you won't leave. You shouldn't have to keep defending yourself in this thread, so if you don't post anymore in this thread, that's perfectly understandable.

I'm also taking this opportunity to remind some of the other posters in this thread, that there are different ways to say things that aren't so offensive as to run someone off.

Supposedly, some of you are instructors. Prove to me that you are EFFECTIVE instructors. Delivering information in a nasty manner will more often than not result in a negative reaction to same.

For those who took a more gentle approach but delivered the bad news first and the good news last, consider doing the reverse in the future.

And why didn't anyone but Wibble assume that Post #1, wasn't a full, complete, comprehensive report of the moment by moment in water session?

For heaven sake some of you are such PITAs.

 

[ScubaWithTurk]

JRK44, please stick around. I can understand why you'd want to slam the door on your way out, but I'm hoping that you won't leave. You shouldn't have to keep defending yourself in this thread, so if you don't post anymore in this thread, that's perfectly understandable.

I'm also taking this opportunity to remind some of the other posters in this thread, that there are different ways to say things that aren't so offensive as to run someone off.

Supposedly, some of you are instructors. Prove to me that you are EFFECTIVE instructors. Delivering information in a nasty manner will more often than not result in a negative reaction to same.

For those who took a more gentle approach but delivered the bad news first and the good news last, consider doing the reverse in the future.

And why didn't anyone but Wibble assume that Post #1, wasn't a full, complete, comprehensive report of the moment by moment in water session?

For heaven sake some of you are such PITAs.

I am sorry but I don't see the good news here. I did my best to inform him that what he was experiencing was bad for him and 100% against agency standards. As instructors, we are told we are role models. As a DMT, if this is his role model, he needs to know that this is not appropriate behavior. Absolutely none of the criticism in this thread was towards him, rather it was towards the instructor who was breaking a lot of standards.

As for the "complete, comprehensive report" , one is not needed. He is a DMT and doing things a DM can't even do. Sure, the instructor may have had demonstrated the skills but for a DMT to give the brief of skills to be done is way outside of standards. DMTs should be giving dive briefings for guided dives, not discussing skills to be completed on OW2. There is no need to assume anything. I knew it was not a full report but did not need one to see the massive standards violations happening. This is about safety. His safety and the safety of the students. His instructor failed him, plain and simple.

The last thing I want to do is run anyone off of SB. Hell, I have been blasted many times here when I first started and it almost ran me off more than once. That is the reason I said that I understood his enthusiasm. But as someone who has had great mentors, I had to step up and say something.

If we as instructors don't speak up when standards are violated, how is the industry supposed to get better? With as much PADI bashing that goes on here, shouldn't those of us that are trying to help him see how things in his course have gone seriously sideways be applauded? Or should we keep silent in order to make sure he stays on SB knowing full well his future livelihood was at stake, not to mention the lives of divers he was supervising while be unqualified to do so.

I really do hope that @JRK44 sticks around and would be happy to discuss anything he wants via PM in order to make sure stays safe, protected and understands why what happened, from the brief bit of information we have been told, was horrendous at best. I am here to help others if I can which is why I felt the need to post in his thread.

 

[Marie13]

OP, look up the Linnea Mills accident thread here on SB. A PADI instructor massively violated standards and a teenager ended up dying as a result. That was in the last several years.

That’s likely part of the reason instructors responded so strongly.