Glove promo is over/post reviews here

[DebbyDiver]

You might ask yourself why you're so worked up about this. I'm just having a conversation. You're screaming, cursing, and insulting people.

Look in the mirror. You're the one with your manties in a twist.

 

[DebbyDiver]

Given your "intelligently" worded responses, that's abundantly clear. Why you continue to blather in response, though, is beyond me.

Why you continue to blather in response, though, is beyond me.

 

[Rainer]

Why you continue to blather in response, though, is beyond me.

Whooosh.

 

[RJP]

Look in the mirror. You're the one with your manties in a twist.

Ah, the powerful "I'm rubber, you're glue..." gambit.

Well played!

 

[RJP]

I never said they (us) were not having enough fun, despite your logical fallacy. More like if you normally have fun at parties, better music may just let you have a little more fun.

What logical falacy? You're the one who defined the audience as "recreational divers who are looking to have more fun."



So, how would you characterize the "problem the product solves"?

 

[Clammy]

I just received my trial pair. I'm not going to lie, I have no intention of using these for diving. I agree with Rainer, RJP, and others in that I believe that they will promote bad form in diving and I personally try not to use my hands at all for propulsion in the water. That's me though.

I WILL, however, use them for swimming and possibly snorkeling. I will be in Bermuda next week and Colombia after that, and if I'm not diving but in the water, I'm definitely going to give these a shot. There ARE other uses for them, as stated in the website. I know this is a DIVING forum but we do other things in the water while we are on dive trips so I can still see it as an appropriate place.

 

[Teamcasa]

What logical falacy? You're the one who defined the audience as "recreational divers who are looking to have more fun."



So, how would you characterize the "problem the product solves"?

The same way I would say that a if roller coaster is fun, then a roller coaster that goes faster or turns the riders upside down may just enhance the experience.

 

[Clammy]

RJP & Rainer, I know we go by the whole "solution to a problem that doesn't exist" school of thought and for us our hands are primarily to hold things when diving and not for propulsion, but there are many many many (many more than not) divers that are perfectly happy using their hands to assist in propulsion or maneuverability. It's just the way they dive. The gloves will show THEM real benefits when they are able to produce more thrust. For you and me, not so much. I think it's personal preference.

 

[Rainer]

You cannot produce more thrust with your weaker arms and smaller hand fins when compared to your stronger legs and bigger foot fins. That's a red herring.

Again, I don't doubt that there are benefits. I'd just like someone to enumerate them. More thrust isn't one.

Seriously inefficient propulsion (which these gloves are likely to promote) leads to greater gas consumption and likely reduced bottom time. I just don't see how that equates to more fun.

 

[Teamcasa]

Again, I don't doubt that there are benefits. I'd just like someone to enumerate them. More thrust isn't one.

Seriously inefficient propulsion (which these gloves are likely to promote) leads to greater gas consumption and likely reduced bottom time. I just don't see how that equates to more fun.

More thrust is relative but for me, not the point either.

I suggested, for me, when I'm videotaping subjects, sometimes very small movements in many varied directions is the difference between a fair shot and a great shot.

I'm not the type of diver that hangs on to rocks or plants myself into the sand to get the shot. I do all I can to hover, hold the camera still and get the shot. Sometimes a simple sculling of one hand is all that is necessary to move me a few inches left or right. These gloves may help me, they may not but before I boo hoo the idea, I am will to give them a fair shake.

As for just plain fun, who really cares?
If they help a diver to do some flips, twists and wild turns while diving so what?
If they allow a diver to rest their legs after a tough run into a strong current, so what?
If they help a diver to make a hard turn to avoid a collision, how is that a bad thing.
If they reinforce the need to practice diving in good trim, how is that a bad thing?

You made a great argument that these gloves may not be right for a diver using a can light, but other than that, no other argument has made much sense.