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We do allow freedoms, but we require respect. Your desire to post is limited by what's good for the community. You don't get to do cyber extortion or obvious libel here. In this case, the individual made a statement that the instructor didn't have the right to cease an attempted rescue of the deceased on Facebook. We've deleted less problematic statements for a variety of reasons.I'm glad you allow freedoms here and appreciate the requirement to keep it civil.
One, whatever you were expecting people to do is unrealistic. Either because you’re not training them properly, or because the rule flat out sucks. I’m reminded of “never go into an overhead environment“ for open water divers. It’s a horrible, useless rule. It just trains people to completely ignore that rule. Either way, knowing that a noticeable percentage of fatalities involve the breaking of a particular rule would be extremely informative.
We do allow freedoms, but we require respect. Your desire to post is limited by what's good for the community. You don't get to do cyber extortion or obvious libel here. In this case, the individual made a statement that the instructor didn't have the right to cease an attempted rescue of the deceased on Facebook. We've deleted less problematic statements for a variety of reasons.
On the other hand, I've been sued to take down first-hand reports of accidents and have not done so. It wasn't fun and I've learned how to protect myself. If I am threatened with such a suit, I often post the threat for all to read. I usually receive another threat to take down their threat or else, and I will post those as well. If you're going to threaten me, I'm going to let the entire Scuba world know what you're doing.
I used to do a lot of rock climbing and mountaineering (in addition to diving) when I was in my 20s/30s. In both sports, it helps to analyze and learn from accidents.
In North America, the American Alpine Club publishes an annual book titled Accidents in North America Climbing.
AAC Publications
(From memory, it used to be titled Accidents in North America Mountaineering)
I used to buy that book every year and analyze all the accidents to see what I could learn. I wonder if something similar exists in our community? If it doesn't, maybe it should?
- brett
I used to buy that book every year and analyze all the accidents to see what I could learn. I wonder if something similar exists in our community? If it doesn't, maybe it should?
Yeah.
Even if they’re *all* heart attacks, there’s still things to learn. Like maybe a medical exam should be involved at some point... Pilots have to have regular medical clearance... Even drivers licenses require periodic eye exams...
Root cause analysis and human factor analysis are never wasted. Even if it’s the same as the last few times, it tells you that what you’re doing right now is not working, and gives you the evidence to push needed change.
Of course, those with a vested interest in the status quo (or even simply a resistance to change) won’t want that...
ETA: Or it might show that things, while are not perfect, are good *enough* to not warrant significant changes. But without the analysis, how do you actually know?