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Following standards?

Discussion in 'Going Pro' started by grazie42, Apr 19, 2007.

  1. Thalassamania

    Thalassamania Diving Polymath ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Maybe whe should start a PADI Dictionary thread ... naw, look at all the grief I got just for mastery. Way to much kool-aid being swilled.
     
  2. MikeFerrara

    MikeFerrara Instructor, Scuba

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    That is exactly the conclusion that I reached some time back.
     
  3. Thalassamania

    Thalassamania Diving Polymath ScubaBoard Supporter

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    I think that following the program of any of those agencies is a crock. I couldn’t agree more. But the thing that you are missing concerning NAUI (and some others) is that since there is no top on what is taught and you can do anything that you want as long as it exceeds standards, I have issued cards from several different agencies SOLELY AS A CONVENIENCE to my divers, very much like a friend of mine who was a BUDS instructor and offered LA County cards to anyone in the class who wanted them so that they did not have to draw attention to themselves if they wanted to dive just for the fun of it.
     
  4. MikeFerrara

    MikeFerrara Instructor, Scuba

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    Some of the agencies may let you teach above the standards but the market pressures toward the minimums. If their minimums are significantly more substantial, I'm not bothering with them.
     
  5. Thalassamania

    Thalassamania Diving Polymath ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Mike, this is not clear ... what are you saying?
     
  6. captndale

    captndale Dive Charter

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    The bottom line is that, as an instructor, your primary duty and responsibility is to your student, not the agency that supplies you with instructional materials. If you cannot adaquately fulfil your dutyto your students and also meet the standards of your agency, you must either violate standards or choose an agency that you can work with without violating their standards. Following standards is no excuse for giving less than your best effort in teaching your students.
     
  7. MikeFerrara

    MikeFerrara Instructor, Scuba

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    Sorry. What I meant to say is that the market rewards the fast cheap class so there will always be some instructors who just teach to the minimum requirements.
     
  8. SDAnderson

    SDAnderson Dive Charter

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    Don't be a tease - what did you find?
     
  9. Thalassamania

    Thalassamania Diving Polymath ScubaBoard Supporter

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    The market also rewards those who do a more thorough job. In fact I think it rewards them far better (at least on an hourly basis).
     
  10. neil

    neil Dive Charter

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    Clearly you agree with him. Good so far. Who does he harm by doing this in CW1?
    Within the module you may.
    That, IMO, is a gray area. I think an argument can be made, and has been in another thread, that you HAVE to teach some neutral buoyancy before the UW swim, so it becomes a sequence in the same overall skill.
     

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