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Dude,


This advice comes from a married male diver married to a female diver. I know many other men in the same situation. We all agree on the following:

"One of the fastest ways to start a fight with a wife/girlfriend is to critique her diving in any way"

There is something about the nature of the universe that does not ever let this go over well. If you have genuine concerns, ask an istructor to some how bring it up in conversation when you are not there.

Be glad she dives and bite your lip about her diving practices.
 
"One of the fastest ways to start a fight with a wife/girlfriend is to critique her diving in any way"

If my husband would figure this out, we would dive more together :)
 
It takes years to learn not to say anything. Men will critique and criticize each other all day and not think much about it, so we get used to it.

There is something about that "special relationship" communication that we men have trouble with. A man can mention something about diving to a women as long as he is not romantically involved with her and it is usually OK. We (men) do it because we are concerned with the woman's safety. It turns out to be more dangerous for the man to say anything! ;-D

Whatever causes this phenomenon, it probably involves the man and the woman. I is best to just not say anything. There are days I have almost bitten through my lip.

I still love diving and still love my wife though :-) and our diving is much better now that we have admitted she HATES diving in the lake and LOVES dving in the ocean. Now I go dive in the lake without her and everyone is much happier. And we are going to Cozumel in Oct and she is gonna love the pretty fish and laying on the beach.
 
Wow does this bring back memories of younger relationships....lot's of us have been there my friend. This issue most likely goes beyond the diving - if you have not seen evidence of that already I think you will. The long distance thing is killer....

I will offer a slightly different opinion. Don't be afraid to tell her what you think....if that p*sses her off then choose a different approach or just write it off as something out of your control and avoid it. If she wants to dive "deep" (or go to a club with other guys or insert anything else here) nothing you say will likely change that. If you're OK with it, then forget about it, if not, then decide what you want to put up with. 13 relationships from now it will not matter - trust me. ;)

Seriously, present it to her as "hey I have complete confidence in you, etc. I am only asking and discussing this because I care about you and your safety, etc. If you rather not talk about it then I will just trust your judgement and leave it at that - OK?" Even though you don't trust her because she is doing things that you consider dangerous, do your best to make her think you do. This will have more impact than telling her what to do. She's a 19 yr old girl....

--Matt
 
matt_unique:
Seriously, present it to her as "hey I have complete confidence in you, etc. I am only asking and discussing this because I care about you and your safety, etc. If you rather not talk about it then I will just trust your judgement and leave it at that - OK?"

And then pat her on the head.
 
camshaft:
Hey guys,
I just had a fight with my girlfriend because she says I pressure her too much about the dive planning and safety procedures she goes through. To start, I've been certified for the past 7 years (naui adv past 5 years), but have only done about 15 dives total. I'm 20 and she's 19. I recently got her interested though, especially since she lives in puerto rico. I live in phily which is why my diving opportunities are limited even though I adore it. The beginning of the summer she got her padi open water cert with her mom, then later went diving twice with me while I was down there.

Now she and her mom are doing the advanced cert and she just came back from their second day of open water diving. When I asked how deep they went she said 100 feet. I was instantly a little concerned, since this is definitely below the depth of a padi advanced ow checkout, and because they didn't have computers either. She said they were at that depth for less than 10 min and did 2 safety stops, but I still asked her whether they had planned to go that deep, whether they had checked the tables personally before-hand for that depth (versus relying on the instructor), and whether they had accounted for ongassing at the slightly shallower depths than 100 feet.

She said yes to all this, and then started getting upset that I always ask her these kinds of questions after her dives. She said I really look like I don't have confidence in her, and that I'm the experienced diver who always knows whats best. I told her before though that one of the reasons I was excited for her was because since she lives in a great dive spot she'd quickly get much more experience than I have. And during the argument I said even if she was the greatest diver to have ever lived, in the midst of my meager experience I think I'd still be justified in asking her how safe she was being. But then she countered that by saying there are a bunch of things we do in our lives like driving a car that are considerably dangerous without asking each other things such as did we buckle our seat belts, or did we look both ways before crossing the street. I guess I don't really know which argument is more valid.

I said though, disregarding who's right or wrong, I don't see why her answering my questions is that much to ask if even just to put me at ease. I guess I've resigned myself to being the kind of person who doesn't want to screw over their life not by staying away from any activity or experiance that could be dangerous, but by experiencing them while stressing the most out of the safety, even if it becomes excessive. Especially after reading so many of those 'lessons for life' articles in rodale's, I've become aware of not the fact that anything can go wrong, but just how many things there are on the list of any things that could go wrong. Furthermore, the incident in which my instructor's instructor ended his life by going alone into a cave and never being seen again constantly reminds me that even your instructor can't be your ultimate life-line.

I've always been fascinated by tech. diving (hoping to pursue it someday so I can enjoy some nice wreck dives up here on the jersey coast :D ) and I try to never forget that one foundation rule to remind that the ocean can sometimes be merciless even to experience or cauion - 'Anyone can die at anytime, for any reason.' I guess I try to hold onto that idea even for simple rec. dives. Maybe I am being too excessive though. Of course, I suppose there's no way to know which one of us really is right, or whether its more of a compromise. So I thought I'd just get this out here and see what you guys thought.

BTW, minds are good at being biased towards their own story, so I probably have left out something my girlfriend would call very relevant. Just a disclaimer :wink:

Thanks,
Austin


Austin:

I believe the advice on this was already mentioned: the female is always right.

Now why are you posting this lengthy ramble over a pointless argument?

You are making it more than what it is.
 
DivingCRNA:
Dude,
"One of the fastest ways to start a fight with a wife/girlfriend is to critique her diving in any way".
That works for anyone you're involved in a relationship with ... it's basic human nature.

When I was a ski instructor, part of our training involved how to teach a loved one ... which usually ended up amounting to "refer them to another ski instructor".

I still dive regularly with my ex-wife, and although we have a great relationship ... and I'm a scuba instructor ... I cannot (and don't try to) teach her anything about scuba diving. She simply won't respond to me the way she would if she was told the exact same thing from another diver. So I judiciously ask my more experienced friends to dive with her from time to time. She's far more receptive to their suggestions than to mine.

I don't think this is at all about "controlling" ... I think it's just how humans are wired to react to people they're involved in relationships with. We all want, and need, a certain level of autonomy from our loved ones. This is simply an expression of that need. Trust her ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
camshaft:
Hey guys,
I just had a fight with my girlfriend because she says I pressure her too much about the dive planning and safety procedures she goes through.

You concern is well placed but you put her on the defensive with your approach.

Try asking her open questions (questions that do not evoke a yes or no answer) like "how did you feel about it?" and then listen to her talk. If it sounds like she has reservations, then use those things to ask follow up questions.

For example'

"how did you feel about it"

"great experience, the instructor was in a bit of a hurry, though"

"oh? how? " (another open question).

"he wanted us to do things too fast"

"what did that do for you?" (open)

"it made me nervous"

"I see. Was that all?"

"yeah, other than that it was fine"

"uh huh, so if he had gone slower you would have felt more at ease?" (closed question but steering)

"definitely"

"I see, so when we do deep dives together, let's remember to go slow"

"You're the greatest....."

Basically, you get a lot more informatoin about her experience by initially letting her tell you about it. After that you can steer it a bit and draw conclusions (together) based on what she says. That's giving her the room to have her own experience but you've had your say about how to keep it safe.

Probably sounds like a bunch of mars-goes-to-venus b.s. but it works.

R..
 
how you say it :crafty:

Given the situation as described, asking her if they had done a plan and followed it is reasonable. 100' if a bit deep, why did they go that deep? Deep for the sake of deep IMO is reckless, and pointless.

However I would NOT tell her that, or at least no in the contex of the recent argument. You may want to say that is what you believe, if that is the case.

I've been married 16 years, have a sister, have dated many woman, and still have no clue what goes on in their minds a lot of the time. :D

Most also have a memory like an elephant, so I'd either figure out a way to discuss this without getting angry at one another, or let the subject drop for a while.
 
Hey don't forget, we're all experts and allowed to bash anyone....

unless you want to keep the girlfriend :)
 

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