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Anyone know information about when the Evolution from AP will be shipping and what it's like? specifically any advantages to the mini-meg with the Evolutions advanced electronics package? Does the two hour dive limit really make it inferior to the Inspiration.

I saw they were testing the unit in Cocos a month or so ago. That would be really fun. No bubbles, lots of sharks..........

Thanks
 
johnman252:
Anyone know information about when the Evolution from AP will be shipping and what it's like?

I'm headed out to the Socorro Islands tomorrow morning aboard the Nautilus Explorer for a nine day dive trip. Cliff, from Silent Diving, will be aboard, and I'm told that there will be both Evolutions and Inspirations with the new electronics aboard the boat. Apparently, things are ready "any day now" to begin shipping, from what I've been told by SDS.

I'll post a full report when I return. I have to color this by saying that I'm doing my Inspiration training aboard the boat; I spent the last year diving a Dolphin, and have decided to upgrade to a CCR. With Bernie Chowdry, Jeff Bozanic, Cliff Simoneau, and a bunch of other excellent people aboard, this trip was too good an opportunity to pass up - and escaping the cold waters of the Pacific Northwest is always a treat. I was actually looking forward to posting a photo of myself in the unit, just for bragging rights :)

So, while I have some rebreather experience, I've got only a few hours from the pool sessions on an older Inspiration to compare apples-to-apples with. Baptism by fire's the only way to go, for me, though...

With regards to the "two hour limit," understand that CE testing runs the CO2 production at a crazy high level, and that your actual CO2 production should be much lower (and hence a longer scrubber life.) There's also a "scrubber" gauge as part of the new electronics package, which should help to give an estimate of life remaining, although YMMV about how much you trust one of those things.

FWIW, my Dolphin is rated to a three hour scrubber life. With my size, workload, and metabolism, a five to six hour run time on a full scrubber fill was never a problem.

I can't really compare it to the Mini-meg at all, nor the Sport KISS. While I looked at the market fairly carefully while making my choice, I opted for the most "common" CCR in use, figuring that parts, support, training, etc, would be easier to come by, and problems or design flaws would be less likely to be found by me, personally, at least statistically, if there were more users. I'm sure the others are fine units, though (anyone want to loan me one to test-dive?) My buddies out here dive Inspirations, as well, so there's much more of a base of people to draw on, for me at least.
 
johnman252:
Anyone know information about when the Evolution from AP will be shipping ...
I rather doubt you'll get reliable information from anyone outside the factory, and they tend to be mum about, probably because they're not quite sure either.

At least they were off when I asked them in the past, in person or writing.
The last time was at DEMA in October 2004, one of the factory guys said November 2004 ... ooops.

However I remember seing a post somewhere of one of APD's European instructors having been factory trained on his unit, so they're at it. The post had a couple of pics attache IIRC.

... any advantages to the mini-meg with the Evolutions advanced electronics package?
The Evo should offer standard HUD (4 LED/fibreoptic strands), has dual controllers like the Inspo, a single handset, and offers optional nitrox and trimix deco softwares as well as optional thermo sensors for the cannister.
The computer tracks and verifies the cells.

The Meg has a single controller, dual handsets, and optional single LED HUD.
AFAIK currently no deco software package is available, but the electronics do show dive time, depth, cannister temp as well as cell output (both as pO2 and actual mV).

I for one believe the main advantage of the Meg over the APD units is its versatility. Multiple cannister and tank sizes can be used depending on your needs and availability.

Does the two hour dive limit really make it inferior to the Inspiration.
Depends on your diving.
 
Thanks guys for the info. Camerone, I would be really interested to hear your feedback on the unit after your trip and also the opinions of others on the boat to the unit. Enjoy the Hammerheads.
 
johnman252:
Thanks guys for the info. Camerone, I would be really interested to hear your feedback on the unit after your trip and also the opinions of others on the boat to the unit. Enjoy the Hammerheads.

I'm back - the trip was nice, although I didn't get as much diving in as I planned. Someone brought the flu on board, and it knocked out 75% of the boat, including crew, for about three days. I lost three days in the middle...although I got to dive either end.

Giant Manta Rays are cool...they're cooler when they show up 45 minutes into the dive, there's no bubble blowing types in the water, and they circle around, letting you scratch their undersides repeatedly.

The purpose of my trip, as I mentioned, was to pick up the Inspiration c-card and training. I did that, diving a rental Inspiration that someone had screwed up with a SS backplate and nightmare-esque harness. I also managed to log about an hour of Evolution bottom time during the trip, on one of two prototypes that Cliff, of Silent Diving Systems, brought down.

Prior to departing, I was heavily leaning towards the Inspiration - after all, with the vision electronics package, it's the same price as the Evolution, and you get more; there's more gas and a larger scrubber.

After diving the Evolution, I'm placing my order for one of them instead.

Turns out, after diving the unit, I'm just very, very impressed. The improvements to the head are very nice. The wiring is now protected by a plastic spyder, the battery holder is now sealed with an o-ring, the head now has t-bolts that lock it into place on the canister (instead of the four knurled screws that are all too easy to lose overboard), the electronics are all potted in a block inside the head. and the whole thing feels a lot more solid.

The harness is very comfortable; it's very similar to the Inspiration harness. They're offering the counterlungs in AP-Valves yellow and also in grey, although I've been told that for the right fee, they'll do them in whatever color you want. The D-rings were well placed, the fit was excellent, and, all in all, the unit felt more like a part of me than something strapped on to me.

I'm a smaller guy (5' 8") and the unit fits me really well...better than the Inspiration with the same size harness and lungs. It's also only 44 pounds in weight, charged up and ready to dive, which means that I can travel with it on the airlines without having to pay excess baggage fees. It's also slimmer and more compact than my Drager Dolphin, which is exciting... I wasn't looking forward to the bulk of the Inspiration.

With regards to the scrubber; SDS rates it at two hours. Realistically, we were getting around five hours out of in with light workloads. (We had no current, although the surge was, um, challenging, at times...) The scrubber life gauge really does work, as far as I can tell. I'm impressed... when I dumped scrubber, what it said had "expired" was purple, and what was still good was white - we were using sodalime with the color dye in it, and it seemed to mesh very well with the gauge. SDS's position with the scrubber gauge is, "under no circumstances should you violate your instruments..." implying that the "two hour" rating is probably a bit conservative... and that's what we were seeing.

The single handset with dual displays was really easy to read and has some marked improvements over the old dual handset controllers. I didn't play a lot with the built in computer - a lot of people were diving the unit, so it was complaining about missed deco stops... if you look at the photos I attached, you'll see I've got a VR3 that I'm using to monitor my bottom time...

Internally, the case is nicely redesigned. The bottles "snap" into place, the scrubber locks down better, and the back of the case is now hinged by two straps, so parts aren't flying everywhere as you break down or set up the unit. Very cool. There's also enough empty space around the canister that you could mount a canister divelight (thin, NiMH pack) inside, and just run the head/handle over your shoulder, if you really wanted. Cliff mentioned that they're offering clamps for the scrubber canister that will do just that...

My only complaints about the unit:

The handset itself didn't really fit smoothly on my arm. It's probably me, and my VR3 has the same problem, anyway...my forearms are small, and it's a big, flat box. Still, it's got a pair of straps and always felt secure and positioned like I could read it.

Handset buttons were VERY difficult to press. The unit now auto-switches for you from low to high setpoints and back. You can, of course, override it. I was coming up and wanted to drop down to the low set point earlier than the unit would switch, and it seemed like it took a LOT of pressure to do it.

I didn't find the "dive computer" part of the handset particularly intuitive, but I also didn't read the manual. I'm a big VR3 fan, so that may have something to do with it. On the other hand, the displays for the rebreather, itself, were far, far improved over the dual handset version. Scrubber is easy to monitor, and it's obvious what the two controllers are reading for pO2. The battery meter is a nice touch, and it's also cool that it tells you which battery is being used as the primary. (Did I mention that there's no longer a need to mark batteries "master" and "slave"? It's smart enough to use the stronger battery for the master and keep them balanced...)

Lastly, the HUD wasn't what I expected. I'm sure it's nice, and I'm just not used to it. It was easy to read the LED colors when diving, and non-obtrusive in my field of view. I just prefer to rely on the handset, and didn't really see the need for the HUD at all...more of a distraction than anything else. On the other hand, if I'd built more time on that unit, I might feel differently.

All in all, I'm very impressed with the unit. I can't believe I'd get "less" at the same price, but the convenience and size swayed me. Four to five hours of bottom time on a scrubber is plenty; it's not often I push that in a single day, and so my sorb costs will be lower with the smaller volume. On a CCR, the 6cf difference in dil and O2 cylinders isn't really that significant, either.

I'm a happy camper... attached are two photos of me on the unit (thanks to Jeff Bozanic for snapping them.) On one, a buddy is fiddling with a small bubble problem on my T connection, on the other, it's a back shot of the unit...
 
caveseeker7:
The Meg has a single controller, dual handsets, and optional single LED HUD.
AFAIK currently no deco software package is available, but the electronics do show dive time, depth, cannister temp as well as cell output (both as pO2 and actual mV).
Depends on your diving.

Yessum they sure do have a deco option - My Buddy picks his up from the Factory on Friday. It includes a single wrist mounted display showing usuals plus Deco - (Deco uses GF) and also includes a HUD.

Expect a full review on http://www.rebreatherworld.com off him soon

Schford
 
The first few Megs had deco capability (I believe the electronics were Smithers/Juergensen - the Will Smithers passed away), then the majority was delivered as described above. There is at least one HH controlled Meg (the logical next step - but Juergensen went with the higher volume DiveRite Optima). At DEMA the word was that ISC would use Bruce Partridge's Shearwater Controller which was originally developed for the Classic KISS.
So I asume that's the electronics package you buddy will be getting.

This is the first I hear about it being available for customers, though I just checked Bruce's website. It states they've been shipping since December 04. No mention on ISC's pages that I can find.

Maybe you can get us some additional info and a picture or two of it. I'm curious how the controller was implemented, the only pictures available are the ones of the KISS prototype.

On those Ron Micjan has coverage on his tmi website, too.
 
johnman252:
Thanks guys for the info. Camerone, I would be really interested to hear your feedback on the unit after your trip and also the opinions of others on the boat to the unit. Enjoy the Hammerheads.

I was also on the Soccoro trip with Camerone taking the CCR course for both the Inspiration and the Evolution. Having made ten dives on the Inspiration and only one on the Evolution, I have to say I preferred the Evolution and thought it was a beautiful machine. Very light to handle, yet big enough for my 6' 200 lbs size. My order is going in.

The CE rated capacity of the scrubber is far short of the real life time of 4 - 5 hours or more. I found the sensor array in the scrubber which lets you know the actual usage to be very beneficial. The unit had several pockets for additional weight which I needed with the dry suit in the salt water.

The heads up display, with four LEDs is quite simple in design (and thus cheap to replace) yet seems to have a lot of possible alert conditions. Fortunately, I did not have the opportunity to see any warning displayed other than "system normal." The computer is full deco, trimix capable, conservatism and gradient variable, with the ability for deep stops.

Like Camerone, I also didn't like the large flat underside of the wrist mounted computer, which seemed to be at the wrong angle for me without twisting my arm in an unnatural position. I didn't find any issues with operating the buttons and found the display easy to read.


The food aboard the ship was good, accomodations spacious, the crew friendly, helpful and knowledgable. I would dive the Nautilus Explorer again without hesitation.

A quick thank you to Jeff Bozanic for the on board instructions and the pic used for my avatar.
 
pierrevz:
Having made ten dives on the Inspiration and only one on the Evolution, I have to say I preferred the Evolution and thought it was a beautiful machine. Very light to handle, yet big enough for my 6' 200 lbs size. My order is going in.

I second this thought. I am 5'6" 140lbs and the evolution was a great system. The overall weight is 15lbs lighter than the Inspiration and the overall dimensions fit nicely. The buttons functioned without error and the unit is well balanced.

My order is going in as well.

Westwinds.
 
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