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Not that I disagree with the possibility of moisture in tanks, but that's not always going to happen - depends of circumstance. I took an 80 lb tank my brother had bought and used for a year (about 15 years ago) and had it checked to use. It had sat dry for about 14 years in a closet in East Texas. I got a visual and hydrostatic test at my LDS. I also inspected the tank with them. It was all totally good. I have used it diving this past year.
 
in_cavediver:
The real scenario of why to drain the tank is this, I have to add 329 PSI of O2 to your mix or 420 PSI O2 to an empty tank. Your tank has 1000 PSI of 28% in it and you want 32%. My O2 bottle has 1000PSI. Its not possible to get that 02 from the supply bottle into your tank to make the mix.

Mike

It is possible with one of these babies....

http://www.jetsam.ca/mod.php?mod=us...17&PHPSESSID=34e88fd485e057ea3c401821333dfb29

They also make one that runs off of the low pressure whip from a reg, for topping up O2 in areas that have no electricity.
 
I think if somebody brought me a tank to fill and when I cracked the valve to check it 'nothing' came out, I would want
to at least take the valve off and look inside. If the tank is clean and dry (with a valid VIP sticker) then fine.

I agree that sucking a tank flat with a reg will not get water into the tank, I don't know where the tank has been or what has happened to it. With no pressure it is just too easy for contaminates to get in.

Of course, ANY tank that sloshes or rattles gets checked, VIP, pressure or not.
 
Had a customer come into the LDS I work with, and he asked for a fill. Having never seen this person, he was asked for a C-card. No problem so far, all standard fare. The shop owner was busy and asked if I would look after the fill. When I hooked up the tank, it was completely empty; I then mentioned this to the customer who said it must have leaked out on the way, with the valve rolling open in the trunk. Rather than filling it I told him we should look inside, the VIP was expiring in 2 months, and now might be a good time to do it before the spring thaw. He moaned and said it really wasn’t necessary, but very reluctantly agreed.

When I removed the valve and looked inside, I saw a small puddle of dark liquid on the bottom of the tank, and the smell coming out of the tank was very familiar. Using a stick to get a sample, it turned out to be oil. I asked him where he filled the tank last, and he replied that he has been using it for filling tires, and has been filling it off a standard garage compressor. The tank and valve were filthy with oil! When we told him it would cost to get the tank and valve completely cleaned and suitable for breathing air use again, he said no thanks and took his tank with him empty.

We called the other dive shops and alerted them, they all called back later that day and said he had shown up.

This is why an empty tank is a red flag, we never know and the liability insurance only covers us if we act with due diligence.
 
quimby:
..... A lot of shops are requiring their own VIP and not accepting anyone elses, and for that matter doing eddy current testing on 6061's.

Which shops are only accepting their own VIP. I travel to FL quite a bit and want to make sure I steer clear of them. So far I guess I've been very lucky and my tanks have always been accepted.
 

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