Eco Dive Center Bad Experience for New Diver

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Hi there! I'm new to the site, but was drawn to it due to some really awesome (and really awful) experiences upon entering the dive community here in Southern California.

I thought I would share my experience with Eco Dive Center in Los Angeles, California on Sepulveda Boulevard for anybody else that may be tentative about scuba diving (like myself) and expects fair treatment.

I'll try to make a long few stories short.

I signed up for my Open Water with Eco Dive Center. I was immediately put off because the prices that we were quoted on the phone when I spoke with Beth, one of the owners, were quite different than when I arrived in the shop, suddently we needed almost $300 more for our initial OW class than quoted on her "exhaustive" list on the phone. Keep in mind we asked several times if there were any other items necessary to begin the process. We are not low on money, but wanted a realistic expectation of the cost of the OW class. I felt that she was just trying to get us in the door. Everytime, we encountered Beth there was another unexpected, undisclosed charge that just added to the overall unprofessional vibe of the shop.

Anywho, we pick up the gear and I studied my book and the video thoroughly and completely the week leading up to the class that began on Saturday. The class was instructed by Ron, apparently another co-owner. I did not take naturally to the first class in water for various reasons and he continuously degraded me in front of the class accusing me of not studying and not doing my homework. It was so embarrassing that I had to pull him above water and explain to him that I had in fact done everything and he was being inappropriate. Of course, the exam section of the course reflected my assertation that I had completed all prerequisite work. I can't imagine that I'm the first person that didn't take to their first underwater experiences 100% naturally; however, to be degraded by the owner in front of the rest of the class to the point that I felt it was contributing to my nervousness, seemed extremely unprofessional on Ron's part. Frankly, he was a real jerk.

To make matters worse, during our classwork section Ron told us about his experiences intentionally inducing nitrogen narcosis and dealing with agressive sharks in the open water while high from nitrogen. It was during this class that I learned about his days of taking certain hard drugs and what "narcing" was. Completely unprofessional if you ask me, in the context of a first time divers class. Especially as he intermittently lectured on safety.

Matters just got worse. Every interaction I had with this shop going forward including misrepresentation of prices and scheduling. All in all, I wasted hours: dealing with these people not being in the store when they said they would, excess monies on equipment that was misrepresented, feeling taken advantage of, and being hit-on by the instructor and business owner (I'm not even going to elaborate on that), and unappreciated overall as a customer.

If you are tentative at all about your first scuba experiences. I suggest you go elsewhere. Most of you will be happy to know that I am advancing in my scuba career quite nicely and have experienced a couple of other very positive, supportive shops that I wish I had encountered earlier. I suspect they lost what could have been a lifetime customer.
 
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Here, it sounds pretty appropriate. Thanks for the heads up, bella. Glad to hear you got past what sounds like a lousy shop.

And welcome to ScubaBoard! By all means, go introduce yourself on Intros and Greets. You'll likely find a ton of support here to help you go even further in diving.
 
Tough experience, bella.

Dive instruction is just a business, like any other. If you were treated this way by any other service business (say, like the auto mechanic) you would vote with your feet and your wallet.

You should do the same here. Plenty of other fish in the sea; plenty of other dive shops in LA.
 
bellabubbles:
If you are tentative at all about your first scuba experiences. I suggest you go elsewhere. Most of you will be happy to know that I am advancing in my scuba career quite nicely and have experienced a couple of other very positive, supportive shops that I wish I had encountered earlier. I suspect they lost what could have been a lifetime customer.

If your going to slam the bad stores why not tell us who you liked as well.

Randy
 
congrats for sticking with it,you'll be glad you did!
 
Welcome to the board! I agree with the above posts, there's plenty of other shops out there - vote with your wallet.

From what I know about instruction, (at least for the divemaster class I'm taking) it's a major no-no to tell "war stories" during a class (One time, I was so narced I....etc..) - not to mention degrading you in front of other students is just plain rediculous.

The point of that first OW class is to ENCOURAGE people to take up this sport / hobby / lifestyle... not scare the crap out of them and make em feel like idiots.

Kudos for sticking it out - you can probably do a search on here for other shops in LA that would appreciate you and your scuba $$$....

D.
 
Ben_ca:
Uhmmm.... usually a new member posts on the Introductions and Greets section and introduces them selves... not jumping out of the stall with gun's a blazing


hmm....
prolly works at eco divers.....
:lol:

anyway, I disagree. Its ok to come out guns blazing. You had a problem, you told us. I didnt do an introductory post either. Dont go silent over Ben_ca's comments.

Sorry you had such a bad experience. Mine was much better, although I will say that I too was surprised by the "hidden costs" of the class. In retrospect it makes perfect sense, but why not be upfront and say "hey, its going to cost you an additional $300-$500 dollars in equipment". They prolly dont want to scare away the n00bs. ;)
 
Eco Dive Center has been one of the more successful dive shops. They train a lot of divers. Maybe more then anyone else in the area but I can see where some people just will not be able to get along with either of the two owners. Ron can be very "gruff" or mater of fact and tell you off. But then that is his trange sense of straight faced humor. He might say something staight faced that is so clearly untrue that some people wonder if he is makeing a joke or just nuts. But he knows his stuff and has trained many, many DMs and instructors over the years and has large an loyal following. and also a a large group of people like you who walk away not knowing what's up. I kind of disagee with his push for fast pacd trainnig that results in divers getting into a Dm program with only the minumim required experiance. But then "trainning is good", how to argue with that.

As for the cost I can't understand that. They have always had a policy of quoting a flat all inclusive rate that includes ,aterials, instuction, renal gear and the boat trip. They tend to quote a high price but then tell you it is 100% inclusive. Other shops typically are worse and will quote a $99 OW class but then add on rental, boat fees and so on. Perhaps Eco has had to change policy follow the conventional approach to compete?

My advice is to stick with it. Be up front and say what you don't like. You will get good trainning. They will put you on a boat and go to a good location and lso make sure you get some beach diving experiance.

Once you do get that OW c-card send me a PM and I'll point you to some good groups of local divers. That OW C-card is really what they call a "learner's permit" and were you wreally learn is from frequent diving with more experianced divers. If you really have given up with then and want to do it again send PM there are others that are quite a bit different maaybe more suited to your personality.
 
I simply cannot believe that an instructor would tell any story about taking hard drugs while scuba diving, but narcosis and hard drugs can be compared. Just try 150 feet on air. ;)
 

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