Question Dry Glove Systems Advice Please!

[grantmac]

All I see are leaking pull on gloves. The quality ring systems are never the cause of leaks.

 

[lexvil]

All I see are leaking pull on gloves. The quality ring systems are never the cause of leaks.

It’s sort of a religion for them, they found what works for then a choose to disbelieve anything else.

 

[Anchorsz]

On my DUI drysuit I also used the Kubi system connected to the zip wrist seal. This was reasonably reliable, only had a handful of leaks due to something trapped like tags on glove liners or hairs. User error issues more than anything to do with the seal system.

I've switched to the PSI press lock system on my current drysuit and it is by far the easiest to lock and I have not had a single leak through this system yet. This is the system offered by Fourth Element on their Argonaut 3 drysuits now.

 

[1fspeed]

I've been diving the PSI dry gloves for about a year.
Had Ultima's on my last suit.
PSI's have been leak free. Mounting PVC gloves is a bit easier on the PSI rings.
I'd be happy with either.

 

[landphil]

Another PSI Press Lock user. They work flawlessly. One of my regular boat activities is showing Rolock 90 users that the Press Locks seal without any effort- just insert and twist, exactly like they show in those Rolock advertising videos (but that last bit of twist to seal Rolocks sometimes feels like it could use a strap wrench assist)

And if it seems like divers with glove systems get more leaks that Zip Seal users, it's because we're generally using really light gloves that get holes in them a bit easier. When it takes 2 minutes and costs $1.50 to replace a glove, you tend to lean more towards dexterity than durability. I have 2 sets of glove-side rings for my PSIs. One has the retainer for thin latex gloves; while the other is for thick lined gloves. I only break out the thick gloves when I know I'm going to be working with a lot of urchins (or often on the second dive after I've punched holes in my thin gloves handling a lot of urchins)

 

[REP]

No system, no rings. Get pull over marigold type gloves. No system is the best system. I tried most of the rings and found them all disappointing. Pull over gloves win.

Do you put the gloves over or under your dry suit wrist seals? Are there not issues with leaks at that point? What specific gloves are you using and what liners are you using?

 

[davehicks]

You pull marigold/atlas glovers over the semi-ridgid wrist ring of the suit. Wrist seals in the suit are optional. Wear any glove liner you like. I have several that i use in various seasons. Nothing leaks at all, ever, unless you poke a hole in a glove. Then just swap it out. They only cost a couple dollars a pair.

 

[Subcooled]

While the plastic is better than metal for keeping you warm

Metal conveys heat better than plastic does. There is air inside the glove, though. Air is a pretty good insulator. In addition, you will wear some inner gloves keeping the outer glove away from skin and slowing convection. So, yeah, the replacement of a plastic ring with a metal one affects heat transfer, but the question remains how much.

the SI-Tech outer ring looked massive in the store.

It is. That's why I chose glued on latex seals and dry gloves with similar seals.

Latex insulates absolutely nothing, and yet I am happily diving in cold water (up to 60-70 minutes). This might have something to do with the fact that I push the glove back once it is on, thus creating a cushion of air (think of an S-form). Air, again, is the common insulator for all seals.

Having latex on latex makes the seal very flat and comfy under water, but it takes some skill and a buddy to make the seal wrinkle free and water tight. A real nightmare, that is. But once it's properly on and sealed it is pure joy. Some other systems are easier on the surface but come with some drawbacks under water,

Just looking for your best advice on Dry Glove systems for real cold water diving.

It's like the quest for the Holy Grail. A quest we all want to complete, but which seems impossible.

 

[lexvil]

Rolock rings, not massive

 

[Zef]

Rolock rings, not massive
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Where did you get those shnazzy orange silicone seals?

-Z