Do you/would you fly with an 19hr surface interval?

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Unlikely you will have issues with flying after diving... you might pad your options by breathing pure oxygen on the surface for a couple of hours during your final SI.

I would be more interested in what gas you intend to breathe at depth and, if a very rich nitrox, the possibility of exceeding NOAA's daily CNS limits... unlikely but more of a potential issue in certain circumstances than problems issuing from an 18 hour SI.

Risk management balances identified risk with their possible outcome and the frequency with which they occur.
 
SO the consensus of responders is it's ok to fly as planned on the facts given, and I would agree. But one should also consider factors that increaase the risk of DCI, including age, weight, etc. So Dennis and I as 60 something that carry a few extra pounds, always have a no dive day at the end of a long trip, and always give ourselves a 24 hour interval before flying if we have had multiple days of multiple dives. It also lets gear dry out to avoid overweight baggage charges.
DivemasterDennis
 
I remember a thread on how a "safe" diver got bent on a flight out, when he was NOT expecting to, had respected ALL the guidelines and his computer said it was safe.

Too lazy to search & find that thread...from this year I believe.

Short story - don't risk it !!!

Plus the "wet" equipment to consider - might be worthwhile to rent, just bring mask & fins, if you decide to dive anyways.
 
I remember a thread on how a "safe" diver got bent on a flight out, when he was NOT expecting to, had respected ALL the guidelines and his computer said it was safe.

Too lazy to search & find that thread...from this year I believe.

Short story - don't risk it !!!

So, if 18 hours is good, and 24 hours is better, why not 36 hours? Or 48 hours? Or 72 hours? Is there any science behind this?

Plus the "wet" equipment to consider - might be worthwhile to rent, just bring mask & fins, if you decide to dive anyways.

My DSS BP/W is dry in a matter of a few hours. :eyebrow:
 
I appreciate all of the responses. I haven't decided what I'll do yet, but I definitely have more info to help make a decision. These are all super-easy fossil hunting dives off of Venice Beach, FL. I descend to 30ft, stay for 45 minutes, surface to see where I am relative to boat, and remain on bottom for another 45 minutes. I do this trip several times each summer but usually I have 28hrs post dive. I understand that more is better, but there doesn't seem to be a way to determine the relative risk of 19 hours vs. 28 hours surface interval.
 
So, if 18 hours is good, and 24 hours is better, why not 36 hours? Or 48 hours? Or 72 hours? Is there any science behind this?



My DSS BP/W is dry in a matter of a few hours. :eyebrow:


There is a bunch of science behind this......lots of articles out there on this very subject. The unfortunate reality of this is that decompression sickness and profiles in general are pretty well a guess. Since everyone's physiology is different and SO many factors can contribute to DCS.......it really is just a crap shoot. This is why you can do everything "right" and still take a hit, or push every limit and come out unscathed.
 
I vaguely remember that dehydration and certain quantities of alcohol were involved...things your computer won't account for.

I do suggest however some snorkeling / freediving from a nice beach the day before you leave, instead of diving...
 
You can stay indefinitely at 20.5' and still ascend immediately to the surface. 19 hours after a 30' dive, I'd not worry. It's all about coming out clean anyhow. Do slower and longer ascents and dive nitrox if available. Hang at 15' until low on gas, then take 5-10 minutes to surface. Do this the last day and your flying risk is so minimal I, personally not professionally, wouldn't worry at all.

You could also add Oxygen on the surface to speed things along with negligible risk ..

While extended safety stops may reduce the risk of DCS in most situations, the body will off-gas more efficiently on the surface than at a rest stop. So, extending the rest stop for the last dive may result in shortening the time to fly interval and carrying more gas onto the plane.

18 hour UW in 3 days is fairly intense. I'd suggest taking a look at divePAL and see if it will simulate your planned dives and off-gassing status for your planned flight. I suspect it is not a problem.
 
The way flights used to be scheduled from here, we'd often end up with customers choosing to do five or six days of two 100-ft-plus dives a day, then fly (in a Twin Otter, unpressurised, at 10,000 feet) after an 18-hour interval. Nobody ever had a problem. On the other hand, we're not complaining now that the schedules have changed and the morning flight out is four hours later...

Keeping the deco theory stuff simple, vacation divers who are doing 2 Rec dives/day ... and probabably no-deco too ... are probably going to be close to the generic PADI simplified table in which the controlling compartment is the 1-hour group. As such, an 18hr SI is 18 "half life" times ... the KISS model would say that their residual Nitrogen has been (1 - (0.5)^18) = 99.99962% cleared.

I'd tend to agree with wedivebc. If you get symptoms on the plane, you were probably very, very close to bent before you took off. I'd be more concerned about the six hours a day in the water for three days than I would be about the flight, even if it's only at 30 feet.

Thinking the same thing here...changing to long & shallow dives will transcend the effective controlling group to a longer one; 2 hrs is what the old NAVY tables used; the amount that a 2hr compartment would clear in 18 hours would be 9 half lifes = 99.8% cleared.

Some of the early (1980s) dive computers had even longer compartments; IIRC, the original Orca EDGE had a 480 minute (8hr) group @ ~8ft depth, which would be 2.25 half lifes = only 78.98% cleared.

And the risk assessment isn't done yet, since what's not presently identified is what amount of clearing is required when one leaves sea level...

Flying only becomes a problem when the cabin suddenly decompresses..

Not quite: aircraft cabins aren't generally pressurized to Sea Level, so any flight functionally becomes the equivalent of an "Altitude Dive" (eg, 8,000ft cabin pressure).


I remember a thread on how a "safe" diver got bent on a flight out, when he was NOT expecting to, had respected ALL the guidelines and his computer said it was safe.

And yes, there's also the variable & risk from "Undeserved Hits" too.


I appreciate all of the responses. I haven't decided what I'll do yet, but I definitely have more info to help make a decision. These are all super-easy fossil hunting dives off of Venice Beach, FL. I descend to 30ft, stay for 45 minutes, surface to see where I am relative to boat, and remain on bottom for another 45 minutes. I do this trip several times each summer but usually I have 28hrs post dive. I understand that more is better, but there doesn't seem to be a way to determine the relative risk of 18 hours vs. 28 hours surface interval.

What's probably a reasonably safe rule of thumb IMO is "6 half life" time intervals for pragmatically saying that a diver is fully clear. However, the trick to the question is what is the controlling compartment for which the half life applies. For mundane recreational no-deco at 2-3 dives/day, the 1hr or 2hr compartments are most likely controlling the driver - - the modern PADI dive tables (no deco anywhere) use 1hr and the old (Navy) tables (some deco OK) used 2hrs, and based on six, this rule of thumb infers that the risk should be acceptably low after 6-12 hours. Of course, because people always push limits (and the models are known to have gaps), one can expect official guidelines to choose the 12 hours at the top of this range.

But in this case, the dive profiles are very very long (despite being shallow) and as such, I'd really be concerned over long compartments which are parts of the Deco theory that we recreationally don't generally venture into...and which aren't even present in some dive computers. I already mentioned the old Orca; IIRC, Suunto has/uses a 240 minute compartment ... and in looking at this 4hr compartment, to bump up from 19 to 28 hours puts that notional compartment from 4.5 to 7 half lifes of clearing, which would suggest that 24+hrs is what would follow this "use 6" rule of thumb.

To pull my ramblings to a quick conclusion, I'd say it looks like your risk at 18hrs is that you're probably not fully clearing your 4hr and longer compartments, even if your choice of dive computer doesn't have or track them in its software.

Using nitrox on the last day of diving would help for the No-Fly, but as was pointed out, that's just trading off one risk for another.

Hope this helps,

-hh
 

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