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Fishkiller

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being taught correctly?? right???

I bring this question up as I was being air exchange unit at my LDS..and overheard a conversation on the topic of how fast paced the class would go??

each person learns at a different speed and in different ways, my question goes to the point of you yourself.. do you feel when you were first taught, that you were taught enough to keep you safe underwater, were you given the desire to increase your learning? or did you take the personal initiative to go beyond your instructor?
 
I received my open water training in a large group. Our instructor was extremely well organized, patient, and knowledgable. We had several DMs and assorted lesser certified divers (including some DM candidates) who assisted with out-of-water logistics to keep things running smoothly.

The class moved quickly -
Classroom completed in three evening sessions,
Watermanship skills in one evening pool session,
Pool dives completed in two other evening sessions,
Open Water dives completed in two seperate Saturday sessions.

At no point was I pushed on to the next skill without having demonstrated mastery of the preceding skill. I learned at my own pace, and when certified, I felt quite comfortable diving in the local mudholes that passed for lakes.
 
My instructor really knew his stuff and had 20 years of good experience. Having said that, I now say
1- the class was to big
2- my instrcutor lacked patience
3-we were rushed through the confined dives
my instructor was a nice guy who knew his stuff, but lacked the patience needed to teach people life saving skills, which I believe has to be done at there own pace. He also had a bit of arrogance about him. I definitely had mixed feelings about him.
 
I definitly took it upon myself and went beyond my instructor. I had a pretty strange OW class in that the instructor that I had is used to being one of the only instructors who works at a very popular lake where lots of people come to learn how to dive, and he is IN IT FOR THE MONEY!!! If you can walk through the door, write a check, swipe a credit card, or have cash you are going to become a certified OW diver and damn fast. Fortuneatly we had a divemaster that was great and he at least made sure that nobody died, and would actually spend time with people who had problems and try to help them. I started off diving the way nobody EVER should, that is I let friends of mine who were divemasters teach me on the fly since I was the one who had a boat. I always begged them to take me down with them, so they insisted that I read the OW book and did the knowledge reviews,then they threw some gear on me and WaLa--Babtism by fire! This is stupid and I know it, but none the less I did it out of ignorance. So then after diving for a couple of months I figured I had better get certified so I could get air fills by myself and when I took the class I already knew how to dive, even though what my divemaster buddies did was probably stupid, they did however teach me how to dive very well before I ever took the class so I had no problems at all, however, some if not most of the other people in the class were unbelievably uncomfortable in the water, let alone scuba gear, and I have no idea how in the hell these people passed the class. This is what made me decide to go for my divemaster cert. and after I get the experience with that I am going on to become an instructor. In my opinion it should be criminal the way my instructor taught the class, and I reported this in a long letter to the agency he is certified with, and believe it or not it is not the one everybody is probably thinking, however I got no response. IMO every diver should take it upon themselves to continue to study and learn on their own, and when they can or if they can afford it they should further their training at least to rescue even if they are only rec divers who don't dive much. This is also why I think you should pick your instructor very carefully and do things such as purchasing training manuals and reading them before you even try to find an instructor, so that you will at least be familiar with what everybody is talking about, and don't be afraid to pick their brains, if they laugh at your questions or seem bothered by them then run the other way. Don't just pick the instructor who is closest to your house, check around, and call around, hang out around dive shops and ask customers who taught them and what they thought. I'm sorry I got off on a rant and I know this is probably not the kind of answer you were looking for, but I just saw it as an oppurtunity to share my thoughts and opinions. And that is exactly what they are, my opinions, and I hope they might help someone else.
 
Yes, I think I did. It was before the fast paced weekend classes. Our class lasted 4 weeks. One four hour academic class and one four hour pool session per week. Checkouts the following weekend. We had plenty of time between classes to study and absorb what we'd learned. At the beginning of each class, there was alot of review before proceeding to the next module.

There were 8 students for one Instructor and one divemaster. The Instructor was very thorough and patient. One guy who was having trouble with skills was encouraged to do extra pool sessions for no charge. We were all invited to do the same if we felt we needed it.

Beast and I immediately starting diving the local spots on our own and felt comfortable doing so. We were also fortunate to meet another instructor at the LDS who invited us along every weekend and continued to encourage us and help our entry into the 'real' world of diving.
 
Scuba intro
My first dive. I took an intro on scuba diving on Aruba. Just a few excersizes in shallow water. Then a dive with an instructor and another intro couple.
Second dive: another scuba intro with the same instructor to 20m. He went looking for shells and did not bother about me very much. I felt extremely comfortable under water (that's why I am still diving) which he had probably noticed. If he would be that easy on all people I would be worried.

Course
I followed diving course at LDS in the Netherlands. Very good and complete. They put a divemaster on you as long as you need to master an excersize (e.g. putting of your mask) no matter how long it takes... (BTW they don't pay their divemasters)
 
If I knew then what I know now, I would report my OW instructor!!!

The class was small, but the instructor had just turned 21, had started diving when he was 12, and must have NEVER had a problem with anything. He had NO patience.

Fortunately, I knew I wasn't comfortable in the water and as soon as I got settled in Guam, I found an older, more patient instructor and did my advanced.

By the way, both instructors were PADI. So it wasn't the agency!

Since then, I have worked with another instructor, gotten rescue and Master Scuba Diver, and have just started with another instructor for Dive Master. The main reason I switched for DM is I wanted another female.
 
I was very lucky. My instructor was a good friend of my g/f's dad. He is an ex Navy Seal, and has a lot of experience. He is now a dive buddy of mine. The class I was in was only myself and one other student. We had him and three DM's for our class. He is extremly patient, and is now taking me beyond what I learned in class. He made class fun, and made you want to learn.
 
My o/w training - you bet I had a great experience. The instructor and DM were patient with us (only 8 students). Took the extra time with students who required it (me included). Their obvious love of the sport, and my "gentle" intro, got me hooked. They're now dive buddies of mine so I must be doing something right :D

I have been with other OW classes (DMing), where, the instructor has shown no patience for the students, called them names to their faces... well you get the picture. Off line I spoke to them as politely as I could - their behaviour didn't change. I made a point of offering extra encouragement to the students - I love this sport, and wanted them to at least enjoy themselves. Strange, at the end of the classes some of the students presented me with tokens of thanks... but those instructors nada.
 
But I thing I got some very good direction from my instructor.

Within the limitations of the course itself, I think the instructor did as much as possible to go through the material in class. In the water basic skills and safety were delivered to the max, again, within time limitations.

There is still a world of learning, but I guess this has to be done as we are gaining experience. Otherwise, our AOW course might take 2 years.

Ari :)
 

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