Diving Nitrox to increase safety AND bottom time!

[Zen Diving Inc.]

So because you used Nitrox on a previous dive and are less tired you can somehow tell you're using Nitrox on a consecutive dive? I don't think so. Regardless of how many dives you do or don't do on Nitrox, you can not tell, on any individual dive, what gas you're breathing without analyzing the tank.

That's the point of the whole side discussion. You can't tell what gas you're breathing just by breathing it so there isn't any need to do a dive in order to get the Nitrox cert. It feels the same as breathing air and the only practical knowledge of the course is how to analyze a tank.

Im just going to agree to disagree... You have far more posting experience then l. Cheers

 

[fjpatrum]

See this is what I'm not getting. Different people have told me they have better outcomes when diving with nitrox ie. no headaches, less tired, more alert etc... So regardless of how it 'feels' at the time is it not beneficial to try it to see what effects (if any) it has on you as an individual rather than just studying it in the classroom?

I see your issue now. Those "residual effects" are secondary to the fact that you get extended bottom time/shorter SI/safety margin when you use Nitrox.

How it directly affects an individual's fatigue isn't the reason most people get the cert. You get the cert for the issues stated above like extended bottom times (especially for multiple consecutive dive days) etc etc. I'm one of the very few people I've met that got the cert specifically to help combat fatigue because my bottom times are still limited by my tank volume. I don't really get any of the extended bottom times because I burn the gas too quickly still.

Furthermore, not everyone feels those "side effects" of reduced headache and fatigue. Everyone gets the actual benefits of extended bottom times etc, which is why you should use that as your determination for choosing to get Nitrox rather than possible side effects.

 

[TjRjn]

You can breathe it all you want after the class!!

Then why don't we say this with every class? Lets forget the practice and make it all theory - sounds a bit mad to me. But as you said, lets agree to disagree. :blinking:

 

[vladimir]

Im just going to agree to disagree... You have far more posting experience then l. Cheers

Ah, the implicit, "I have lots of dives so don't challenge my authority on this." Thanks for gracing us with your expertise.

 

[fjpatrum]

I must have got the best of both worlds then - I did a PADI course a month or two back - OK no dives, but covered computers, dive tables, manual calculation of oxygens depths, oxygen toxicity exposure and so on, and gave me a manual, workbook, PADI tables and DVD. But I only got wet walking from the car to the classroom in the rain - P

I should have been more specific. I was researching online classes, not instructor-led courses. I probably would have gotten a lot of that too, if I'd done an instructor-led course but all mine locally were twice the price of the online course. I ended up going over all of that during my practical tank analysis and course quiz discussions anyway. I didn't get a DVD or physical book though. I did print out the online course material, which is effectively a book but it was at my own cost to do the printing...

 

[TjRjn]

I see your issue now. Those "residual effects" are secondary to the fact that you get extended bottom time/shorter SI/safety margin when you use Nitrox.

How it directly affects an individual's fatigue isn't the reason most people get the cert. You get the cert for the issues stated above like extended bottom times (especially for multiple consecutive dive days) etc etc. I'm one of the very few people I've met that got the cert specifically to help combat fatigue because my bottom times are still limited by my tank volume. I don't really get any of the extended bottom times because I burn the gas too quickly still.

Furthermore, not everyone feels those "side effects" of reduced headache and fatigue. Everyone gets the actual benefits of extended bottom times etc, which is why you should use that as your determination for choosing to get Nitrox rather than possible side effects.

THANK YOU!!! Finally someone who gets what I mean...I was about to give up.

 

[vladimir]

Then why don't we say this with every class? Lets forget the practice and make it all theory - sounds a bit mad to me. But as you said, lets agree to disagree. :blinking:

I didn't say that, somebody else did.

The difference is, other classes impart particular skills. Breathing nitrox is not a skill.

 

[TjRjn]

Ah, the implicit, "I have lots of dives so don't challenge my authority on this." Thanks for gracing us with your expertise.

Ahhh,... didn't you say the same thing to me a few posts back?

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If you think the demonstration of testing procedures and the in-person classroom instruction would be valuable to you, I totally understand that. Why is breathing nitrox during the course valuable?

I think our messages are getting crossed here so my apologies if I'm answering out of sinc.
I would rather try anything new that requires some sort of technical ability or reasoning in a class with a trained supervisor/teacher. Call me over cautious or a woos but that's how I am.

 

[vladimir]

Ahhh,... didn't you say the same thing to me a few posts back?

No, nor did I imply it. But please quote me and show me what you misinterpreted. I'll be happy to clarify or apologize, as the case may be.

 

[Zen Diving Inc.]

Ah, the implicit, "I have lots of dives so don't challenge my authority on this." Thanks for gracing us with your expertise.

The implicit... I guess I'll just let you type for me then since you know me so well. It was meant as more of a joke then a pissing contest. Then again you cant get context out of text. Unless you make it up in your head.

Read your own signature.