Diving Nitrox to increase safety AND bottom time!

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Practical experience is not required for the Nitrox specialization any more according to PADI. It's all about classroom work and calculations etc.. so in fact you can have the specialization without the actual experience. Hence my whole point!

That's not just a PADI thing, several agencies do the NITROX cert the exact same way


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That's not just a PADI thing, several agencies do the NITROX cert the exact same way


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Hey just because some agencies set the bar low in certain areas (all are guilty of something...) doesn't mean the instructors or dive shops should follow suit. I usually role this into another class that requires diving. Knock 2 birds out with 1 stone.
 
Practical experience is not required for the Nitrox specialization any more according to PADI. It's all about classroom work and calculations etc.. so in fact you can have the specialization without the actual experience. Hence my whole point!
There is no "practical experience" required to dive Nitrox, though. That's the point. The only difference is in planning and gas analysis of the tank. Every online course I researched (4 of them) all required a practical gas analysis at a shop to finalize the certification, with or without a dive requirement. I ended up taking the TDI course to get a better theoretical background (all the others teach computers and TDI teaches tables) but still had to go into my local shop to analyze a tank before I got my card.

Practically speaking, the only difference is the gas analysis when you get your fill and understanding MOD. Understanding MOD is strictly a theoretical thing and diving won't make any difference unless you tox, in which case, I would say you probably didn't understand it. The air tastes the same, it feels the same, it smells the same. You can't tell any difference while you are diving.
 
The air tastes the same, it feels the same, it smells the same. You can't tell any difference while you are diving.

Really? Taste the same... Sure. Feel the same, not quite. Personally I feel less tired after and between dives. Must have something to do with that PPO2... Must be a contagious thought, since most I know feel the same way. Could be a placebo effect.... LMAO! Jedi mind trick...
 
Practically speaking, the only difference is the gas analysis when you get your fill and understanding MOD. Understanding MOD is strictly a theoretical thing and diving won't make any difference unless you tox, in which case, I would say you probably didn't understand it. The air tastes the same, it feels the same, it smells the same. You can't tell any difference while you are diving.

Now do you know this because you were told this or you have actually tried nitrox?
 
Really? Taste the same... Sure. Feel the same, not quite. Personally I feel less tired after and between dives. Must have something to do with that PPO2... Must be a contagious thought, since most I know feel the same way. Could be a placebo effect.... LMAO! Jedi mind trick...
Hence my statement about "while you are diving". I can't speak to the lower fatigue, though that's why I got my Nitrox cert, because I haven't dived enough on Nitrox at depths or temps "extreme" enough to tell a difference. I tend to believe it will reduce fatigue after a dive, but that has no bearing on how it feels during a dive.
 
I do NOT teach that nitrox is safer than air, it is used to extend bottom time only; all other reasons (for its use) are debatable.

Statements like this is why I've come to be so detached from the formal instruction model of learning. Professionals making decisions based upon whimsy. Why not teach students all the facts and let them decide how they will use the gas.

EAN reduces the amount of N you uptake. That is a fact. This can either be used to extend BT (which negates the DCS safety buffer) or to provide a DCS safety buffer. That is a fact.

or as a hybrid of the two as the OP stated, though I've never heard of anyone locally doing that.

One might argue on an average dive day that buffer is theoretical but there are circumstances when it does come into play. I use EAN whenever I either want to extend bottom time on certain dives (wrecks mostly) or reduce the amount of N loading while not extending BT (for me due to DCS risk from repetitive diving or post dive altitude adjustments).

It may not be how you dive but should a formal course only teach your perspective or the facts.

There are safety issues surrounding EAN but almost all of them have to do with diver error, not the gas itself. A properly trained, attentive diver can use EAN to either extend BT or add a DCS safety buffer to the dive, just like using the conservative setting on your computer.

Lamont did beat me to the punch in bringing up some other factors that need to be considered when using EAN though, like hypothermia. I generally use air these days because I see most everything I need to each dive with air NDL's and can only do about an hour in a wetsuit at 45F.
 
Now do you know this because you were told this or you have actually tried nitrox?

I have maybe half a dozen dives on Nitrox at this point. That's not relevant to understanding why Nitrox is beneficial or how you dive with it though.
 
I have maybe half a dozen dives on Nitrox at this point. That's not relevant to understanding why Nitrox is beneficial or how you dive with it though.

But you have at least tried/experienced it to be able to make any sort of informed decision as to whether or not you may want to use it in the future - THAT is my point!
 
Hence my statement about "while you are diving". I can't speak to the lower fatigue, though that's why I got my Nitrox cert, because I haven't dived enough on Nitrox at depths or temps "extreme" enough to tell a difference. I tend to believe it will reduce fatigue after a dive, but that has no bearing on how it feels during a dive.

Well if my theory holds true then it does have a bearing on how you feel at-least on that second dive, less tired. That is of course, a feeling is it not? I think it has more bearing then you actually know now and even less after you dive Nitrox 250+ days a year... Relevant yes, but really this debate has be done on a daily basis since it was endorsed for recreational use back in 1992... Its like arguing about how wet your going to get out side based on the rate of rain droplets counted by 2 people with different methods... Its a mute point, go dive and have some fun!
 

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