Diving DIR as PADI Instructor, ok?

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Don Burke:
How about a drill press?GUE is in a niche that the major agencies would have trouble fitting into, assuming they could get in at all.

Good points all Don. But as an example, Mercedes Benz bought into (or out) Chrysler. They were all quality and had (have) products that lasted 30 years. But even their niche had to succumb to the high flow, "new model glitz and glimmer" world auto market. How many new cars will they sell when they're product lasts forever? My point is, if I were the head of GUE I would be looking seriously into their strategy for the future. They ARE into it for money or they won't survive. And even though the quality of the "wally world" dive classes may not be as good, customers will still buy that product based on price and availability. And every time one does, if they (PADI) choose to pursue that niche, it's another loss for GUE.
 
Hank49:
My point is, if I were the head of GUE I would be looking seriously into their strategy for the future. They ARE into it for money or they won't survive. And even though the quality of the "wally world" dive classes may not be as good, customers will still buy that product based on price and availability. And every time one does, if they (PADI) choose to pursue that niche, it's another loss for GUE.
Hank I see your point. I think until the dive industry has a major overhaul in teaching time, and then the money aspect, GUE will always have a market.
 
Hank49:
Good points all Don. But as an example, Mercedes Benz bought into (or out) Chrysler. They were all quality and had (have) products that lasted 30 years. But even their niche had to succumb to the high flow, "new model glitz and glimmer" world auto market. How many new cars will they sell when they're product lasts forever? My point is, if I were the head of GUE I would be looking seriously into their strategy for the future. They ARE into it for money or they won't survive. And even though the quality of the "wally world" dive classes may not be as good, customers will still buy that product based on price and availability. And every time one does, if they (PADI) choose to pursue that niche, it's another loss for GUE.
Actually, I think Daimler saw an opportunity to broaden their base and bought a company to do it with. I do suspect the truck line was supporting the company more than they were saying.

The GUE strategy for the future seems to be to continue to upgrade training. If the money follows, so be it.

Each major agency diver is not a loss to GUE. He is a potential customer for services the major agency is unable to provide and may never be able to provide. No matter what the major agency calls the training, if the quality is not there, GUE has an answer.

In my opinion, the major agencies are too interested in "teaching the world to dive" to worry about quality of advanced instruction. They teach people to go to thirty feet and look at the pretty fishes one or two weeks a year and anything the instructors can do to above and beyond that is a random event beyond agency control. I think that is the way it should be. They teach people enough to keep them from getting killed on a reef.

There is a gaggle of agencies fighting over these divers and it is not a niche any more than retail gasoline is a niche. It is a commodity and is sold much like sand, by the pound with concern for quality shown by few.

There is a little mom & pop hardware store near me. In the last fifteen years or so, a Home Quarters, a Lowes, a Home Depot, and a Wal-Mart have opened within walking distance. The little hardware store is still there, not by going head to head with the big guys, but by providing services the big guys can not.

If Home Depot or Lowes (Home Quarters went under) could do it with their workforce, they would have pushed this little guy out. The big guys can not hold the people needed to do these things, so the little guy is still here.

Cave diving is not new. If a major agency thought there was gold within reach in those hills, every agency would be teaching a cave course.
 
Don Burke:
There is a little mom & pop hardware store near me. In the last fifteen years or so, a Home Quarters, a Lowes, a Home Depot, and a Wal-Mart have opened within walking distance. The little hardware store is still there, not by going head to head with the big guys, but by providing services the big guys can not.

If Home Depot or Lowes (Home Quarters went under) could do it with their workforce, they would have pushed this little guy out. The big guys can not hold the people needed to do these things, so the little guy is still here.
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But for every mom and pop store that survived, how many went under? I don't like it, but it is happening. Here on this farm we have a German supplier of gear boxes for our aerators. They're really good products but the company seems so quality and perfection oriented that ordering from them is a nightmare. They just can't deliver when we need them. (to compare, try to arrange a DIRF class in Belize) So, we found another American company which is very market oriented. It's not as good of a product but we can get them within 30 days on site. And guess what? This week we get a notice from the American company that the German one just bought them out. There is a balance of the two mentalities which is probably why some little mom and pop operations survive under the onslaught of "big and cheap".
This experience is what triggered me to think about this comparison between the major certifying agencies and specialists like GUE. Who knows? PADI/GUE merger .......stranger things have happened.
 
PM BCS on this list. He's Brandon Schwartz of www.scubaguys.com If you go to his site, you'll see some pics of his OW class. The results are very good and the diver will come out of that class with some excellent skills-far beyond most OW divers. FYI, Brando is a GUE instructor also.

I hope your classes do well, and I commend you on wanting to teach to a higher level.


youriv:
Hi divers,

I am thinking about diving using the DIR method while working as a PADI Instructor. I wonder if PADI has a problem with this. Will it causes conflictions when you are diving with the DIR method and are conducting PADI courses?

For example, when you teach BB, is it a problem for PADI when you give your primary air supply instead of your alternative?

For as far as I can think of, this could be the only problem here. All the other equipment configuration is compatible in any way. In DIR you also don't wear your snorkel but, although it is not DIR, it is not a problem to put the snorkel on the mask.
I know DIR is more than equipment configuration but I just give it here as an example.

I would like to hear some opinions on this subject.

Thnx,

Youri
 
Snowbear:
They are incorporating as much as they can of the DIR principles into their OW classes. Currently, they are contemplating charging a bit more and adding a pool session so they can actually teach the students the basic skills while hovering rather than kneeling (they've found the kneeling in a semi-circle is a time saver :wink:).
To no one person in particular:

Our very own jbd is a NAUI instructor who teaches his class with hovering instead of kneeling, huge emphasis on buoyancy/trim/breathing, right from the first pool session. PM him for ideas, he has some great drills and games.
 
detroit diver:
PM BCS on this list. He's Brandon Schwartz of www.scubaguys.com If you go to his site, you'll see some pics of his OW class. The results are very good and the diver will come out of that class with some excellent skills-far beyond most OW divers. FYI, Brando is a GUE instructor also.

I hope your classes do well, and I commend you on wanting to teach to a higher level.

Those are some nice pictures....
 
plankspanker:
How did you learn of the bp/w and long hose, through other divers?

I learned about the BP/W right here on Scubaboard! (go figure right :)) I was really determined to figure out trim and weighting concepts. Can't tell you how many hours of research I did. I stumbled upon FredT here on the board, he makes a great backplate among other things. He was also a great help and really inspired me to learn to "dive", not just get heavy and sink. So I bought some gear, gathered up all my weighting calcs including a document FredT provided on neutral buoyancy concepts (far more detail than any OW course info), and off I went. The LDS had me convinced I'd just about drown in this thing without diving double steels. So I took this thing to G. Cayman and dove it! The first myth about the BP/W pushing your face in the water was dispelled when I popped up straight as a cork on my first giant stride into Cayman waters. I was about 12# overweighted (yes about 12#!) and hooved air big time on that dive (I should have dove some more local first, but what did I know) but even then my trim was dead nuts. I continued to shave weight for a few more dives and then my SAC rate magically improved ten fold! I learned so much out there and by mid-week was really starting to dive neutral. And I did pick up some great tips from other divers out there to get me on the "fast track" to neutral. I also learned about the long hose here and just recently switched. Got about 5 dives on it. I really like it, no more "hula hoop" :eyebrow:

Do your own research, make some decisions, then apply it. If you can find some divers to help you out then by all means do so. I don't recommend doing a 120fsw dive like I did right off. Looking back that was a mistake. I was able to call the dive and turn when I needed to but I made the divemaster very nervous! Try to dive this stuff first in 20-30 ft. water. Most important thing is to go find some buddies and dive!
 

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