Diver dead after accident in Lake Ontario near Oakville

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UnderSeaBumbleBee

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adiverswife,
First let me say that I am sorry that you have lost someone dear to you. No words can take away the pain. If I had such words to speak and make things better, I would not withhold them from you.

Threads like this serve to educate divers and make them think through the what if's. How to recognize mistakes and then not make them yourself. I owe my life to a thread very much like this 4 years ago.

You see I was on a dive and a chain of events began to happen quickly. It was a chain of events that had actually been discussed a few days before my dive and it was fresh in my mind. I realized I was making mistakes almost like someone that had lost their life but a few days before. And I remembered the speculation and the solutions offered to solve those mistakes.

We are not here to disparage your dear loved one. Honestly we are here to learn. Our thoughts and opinions are offered to discuss real and tragic situations and how they might be avoided or overcome if avoidance is not possible.

Truly I am sorry for your loss. I lost my own brother who was 46 just 6 months ago this week. Sadly choices he made lead to his untimely death. His children are at a loss and struggling.

The diver discussed in this thread, I understand his friends and most especially his wife and children will struggle, not just now but for years and years to come. He can never be replaced. NEVER! Perhaps, though he can keep someone else from being removed from the lives of those that love them.

I owe a great debt to the man who lost his life and the incident was discussed here. I owe a great debt to those who participated in that discussion. It was because of that thread that I lived to dive another day. I am not alone. Many others have learned too. Experience is the best teacher, but it is also the most costly. We do well when we try to learn from both the success and mistakes of others.

I am sorry for you loss.
 

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It is always very tragic when these things happen. People must learn they can only dive to their training and expeirence. Anyone with a pocket full of money can buy course after course after course, what people need to realize you must also take time to gain some personal expeirence. Charter operators need to tighten up and check certifications and only people to dive to their certifications. People get too complacent with diving, the gear is practically fail-safe, the computers are all you really need to find out safe deco schedules, they are very advanced as we know. I see these people with the "who needs a course" to know how to do hard core dives, it's hopefully not a trend of deep diving to come. The most important thing these courses teach is emergency preparedness, that's what lacks in these hot dog divers.
are you trying to say that the diver that has passed bought a course How can you say such a thing about someone you do not know or have seen what he has done. what is wrong with you.
 

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why do you feel you need to know more-----just asking

Because a fatality in our sport is a big deal..
And I'm curious as well..I have several dives on that wreck, and would like to know what happened..
No one blames the deceased..As I said on another forum, I point the finger squarely at the the person who owns the boat..He knows damn well someone with out deco training doesn't belong there..But that's the hot dog mentality of folks in that region trained by MM
 

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adiverswife,
First let me say that I am sorry that you have lost someone dear to you. No words can take away the pain. If I had such words to speak and make things better, I would not withhold them from you.

Threads like this serve to educate divers and make them think through the what if's. How to recognize mistakes and then not make them yourself. I owe my life to a thread very much like this 4 years ago.

You see I was on a dive and a chain of events began to happen quickly. It was a chain of events that had actually been discussed a few days before my dive and it was fresh in my mind. I realized I was making mistakes almost like someone that had lost their life but a few days before. And I remembered the speculation and the solutions offered to solve those mistakes.

We are not here to disparage your dear loved one. Honestly we are here to learn. Our thoughts and opinions are offered to discuss real and tragic situations and how they might be avoided or overcome if avoidance is not possible.

Truly I am sorry for your loss. I lost my own brother who was 46 just 6 months ago this week. Sadly choices he made lead to his untimely death. His children are at a loss and struggling.

The diver discussed in this thread, I understand his friends and most especially his wife and children will struggle, not just now but for years and years to come. He can never be replaced. NEVER! Perhaps, though he can keep someone else from being removed from the lives of those that love them.

I owe a great debt to the man who lost his life and the incident was discussed here. I owe a great debt to those who participated in that discussion. It was because of that thread that I lived to dive another day. I am not alone. Many others have learned too. Experience is the best teacher, but it is also the most costly. We do well when we try to learn from both the success and mistakes of others.

I am sorry for you loss.
I do understand that this site is to educate divers if something happens, what I do not understand is those that have tried to be-little his credentials. He was a great person and yes very dear to me so reading some quotes that he was not qualified or ready to be there or even one that he bought a course should not be part of the post. answers is what is wanted lies should be removed. those who knew him and dived with him were friends they do not take courses lightly and quotes like that are sad when posted if they want to post to help that that is what they should do.
 

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I do understand that this site is to educate divers if something happens, what I do not understand is those that have tried to be-little his credentials. He was a great person and yes very dear to me so reading some quotes that he was not qualified or ready to be there or even one that he bought a course should not be part of the post. answers is what is wanted lies should be removed. those who knew him and dived with him were friends they do not take courses lightly and quotes like that are sad when posted if they want to post to help that that is what they should do.


Great, so if he possessed the qualifications, and took training seriously, what was the catastrophic event that lead to his demise?
 

Jay Roy

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I do not dive and do not care to !!!! but knew him well . What do you know about him??


Then how can you discredit what country diver is saying?
I know he had Advanced Open Water, and an incomplete intro to tech course..Neither of which should have had him diving on the crane..But like I said, not his fault..There were people on board that knew better..
 

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Are you trying to say that the diver that has passed bought a course? How can you say such a thing about someone you do not know or have seen what he has done? What is wrong with you?

All courses cost money, none of them are free, especially tech courses. If there is a free one, I'd remember what a good friend told me, that you usually don't get what you don't pay for.

I edited your post above and added punctuation for easier reading. If I misinterpreted what you said, apologies in advance.
 

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Because a fatality in our sport is a big deal..
And I'm curious as well..I have several dives on that wreck, and would like to know what happened..
No one blames the deceased..As I said on another forum, I point the finger squarely at the the person who owns the boat..He knows damn well someone with out deco training doesn't belong there..But that's the hot dog mentality of folks in that region trained by MM
How well again did you know him to know what he could or could not do he has been on deep dives if a fatality in your sport is a big deal keep it to that and stop putting the blame on the person that owns the boat until the facts are in.I have talked to both men that were with them many times.
 
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