DiveMaster/LDS conflict

[TCDiver1]

jepuskar once bubbled...

In all actuality, the student should get out and dive more. For those that will argue that taking the AOW does give the student more dive time, I can't argue that, but it is an expensive price to pay for instructor supervision. I went through the classes, I know how it is.

Man, am a little whining biznitch today or what? hehe

In our neck of the woods for about 150 bucks you get, at minimum, five dives/fills for five different types of diving, which are supervised. I guess its just me but 30 bucks a dive doesn't sound too bad for what your getting. No one i know purports to the idea that one dive in any setting, night, deep, etc, makes anyone an expert in that setting. So whats the big deal?

I have nothing against anyone who prefers to get experience in other ways for their own reasons but see nothing wrong with paying a relatively small sum for organized training, if that is what one desires.

The angst that gets displayed on this board on topics such as this is amazing to me. Gawd forbide you actually take a NAUI or PADI or ABCD advanced class instead finding your own way to get experience.
LOL!

 

[Dryglove]

ScubaRon once bubbled...
When acting as a DM your primary concern need to be your students, and if you need to be slightly uncomfortable for that: tough luck. It's part of being a diving professional.

Now that statement makes a whole lot of sense. Lets not use what works and is comfortable but will net sales for the dive shop.

So what are you really,

a dive professional

or a

walking billboard for your lds to help them sell gear.

 

[Diversauras]

Sounds like it works for someone, unless you are in the camp that all LDSs are out to gouge the buyers and activly attempt to offer wrong (as opposed to doing it "right") solutions. Because it sells doesn't make it wrong, but if you are assuming that only you are doing it right then it is a short hop over there.

 

[Big-t-2538]

ScubaRon once bubbled...
When acting as a DM your primary concern need to be your students, and if you need to be slightly uncomfortable for that: tough luck. It's part of being a diving professional.

I whole heartedly disagree with that statement. If you are uncomfortable (even slightly) leading students, assisting, or whatever, you have no business being in the water with the students.

 

[ScubaRon]

lal7176 once bubbled...


So what are you really,

a dive professional

or a

walking billboard for your lds to help them sell gear.

I don't know where the commercial aspect suddenly comes from. The point I made is that when teaching a class how to use certain gear it makes sense that you use that gear.
ScubaRon
PADI Divemaster

 

[DeepTechScuba]

My own philosophy about the gear I wear for scuba is that I will be happy to wear the store's dive gear IF:

1) the store's gear is adequate to ALL my needs as an instructor and

2) the store gives me their gear without charging me for it, if I have another preference for myself in a brand that they do not carry.

Rentals work fine too, if the store wants to loan me a certain piece of gear without charging me for it.

What I buy for myself is my own choice. Too bad, if the store does not offer that line or a comparable one.

 

[Lead_carrier]

jepuskar once bubbled...
I would have been just one more person added to that cattle herd...no wait, I dive Halcyon...I wasnt allowed.

ut:

Sounds kinda like you got turned down for a class, like I did when I tried to get into a dir-f class. You don't have a bp/wings so you're not welcome here. I have the rest of the set up, just not the wings.

Looks like we both made our own choices.

 

[Dryglove]

ScubaRon once bubbled...


I don't know where the commercial aspect suddenly comes from. The point I made is that when teaching a class how to use certain gear it makes sense that you use that gear.
ScubaRon
PADI Divemaster

for the LDS to ask that their DM wear gear similar to what the student are being trained on. Although you are not allowed to instruct, you are setting an example for the students.

By doing so you are basically promoting gear sales for that shop that you DM for unless you normally wear the gear that shop sales.

I wear a bp/wing which most stores would frown upon if i were to take a DM course and use it while assisting with students. Why would my wearing a bp/wing be setting a bad example for the students? Bottom line is the shops dont want to lose a sale to a bp set up and will only expose students to what they sale so they dont stray off to buy better gear else where.

 

[TCDiver1]

Big-t-2538 once bubbled...

I whole heartedly disagree with that statement. If you are uncomfortable (even slightly) leading students, assisting, or whatever, you have no business being in the water with the students.

my read on this is that it is healthy to have that little worry knot in your stomach when teaching or assisting students. I wouldn't call it uncomfortable but a health paranoia/respect of things that could go wrong. If you have taught or assisted for any length of time, you know that Murphy is alive any well in scuba training. Arrogance and lack of respect for the potential dangers, opens the door for Murphy to thrive even more.

IMO, thinking anything less is not paying proper attention to the negative potential in scuba training.

 

[Atticus]

gedunk once bubbled...

my read on this is that it is healthy to have that little worry knot in your stomach when teaching or assisting students. I wouldn't call it uncomfortable but a health paranoia/respect of things that could go wrong. If you have taught or assisted for any length of time, you know that Murphy is alive any well in scuba training. Arrogance and lack of respect for the potential dangers, opens the door for Murphy to thrive even more.

IMO, thinking anything less is not paying proper attention to the negative potential in scuba training.

Gedunk - perhaps this is a comment out of context?

The discomfort comment had to do with gear configuration - ie: not being comfortable with the gear one is diving. I assume you don't mean that wearing gear that you are not familiar with and comfortable with is right when teaching / taking the lives of others into your hands?

-Atticus