Question Dive Rite O2ptima CM & Europe questions (Usage, as well as the wretched CE)

[makar0n]

Hi,

What's 7) a carbon tank? and secondly are you asking in 8) has anyone jury-rigged a CMF in the chop?

I have very limited experience on rebreathers (150 hrs) my amateurish view:

+'ve, the chop seems to trim out much better than a rEvo, -'ve, the WOB on the chop is not as good (in my non-CE test approach - opinion), but may be similar if lungs are held high on chest/in front of chest (i.e. super-manning). +'ve, Donning and doffing the chop is better. +'ve: Building the chop seems to be faster. -'ve: The chop doesn't have RMS -'ve: the chop doesn't have dual scubbers. -'ve: the Chop is a Dil-out solution so you cant save money on cheaper Nx bailout. I.E. Dil pp02 = Bailout pp02, whereas rEvo Dil pp02 <= Bailout pp02. -'ve: Durability rEvo has Titanium case Chop has canvas. Finally +'ve, +'ve the chop can adapt to to your current O/C style be it Singles, Doubles, Sidemount, simply by clipping on the front of d - rings, travelling is a breeze.

Regards, G

So for 7) meant carbon fiber tank..i.e. instead of alu/steel. These are apparently way lighter (so better for travel) but problematic when testing time comes plus have different buoyancy or so...

Eeerm, apologies my noobnes but what is CMF? What i meant in 8 was to put the leaky valve/needle (or however it is called, ie. same as in mCCR).

And thanks for feedback - travel and the general ease is exactly my goal. Curious about the WOB, do you make much diff being horizontal vs upside down? (i am often hanging head down when hovering above the critter, actually sort of my preferred position)

Aren't all chest-mounted rebreathers harder WOB than backmounted? Simply because the pressure is greater underneath your lungs that above them.

Ha, that is a question. Found a CM review around this forum, somebody took it down to about 140m or so, and said WOB was supposedly great.

It looks like there are instructors in Germany and Poland. They may be able to help you with your questions

O2ptima Instructors - Dive Rite

United States Alabama Max Gilbert max.gilbert@gmail.com TDI O2ptima Classic, O2ptima BOV, O2ptima CM Arizona Ben Lair Ben@ParagonTucson.com TDI – Instructor Trainer O2ptima CM Max Tseng tsengmax@gmail.com TDI O2ptima CM California Ben Lair Ben@ParagonTucson.com TDI – Instructor Trainer O2ptima...

www.diverite.com

Thanks. Already in touch but turns out the PL is not yet certified in CM, and the German one is really in Canada.
Anyways, got hold of some more "exotic" ones as might be i fly there to do the deed after all

 

[Heat Miser]

So for 7) meant carbon fiber tank..i.e. instead of alu/steel. These are apparently way lighter (so better for travel) but problematic when testing time comes plus have different buoyancy or so...

Eeerm, apologies my noobnes but what is CMF? What i meant in 8 was to put the leaky valve/needle (or however it is called, ie. same as in mCCR).

I don't know about carbon fibre tanks ... seems feasible .... can you put 100%O2 in them? A Google search said Air only but I wouldn't take that as gospel

Yes a CMF (Constant Mass Flow) is another name for a leaky valve ... I'm not certain you need one if the solenoid on the unit is working.

 

[Wibble]

Yes a CMF (Constant Mass Flow) is another name for a leaky valve ... I'm not certain you need one if the solenoid on the unit is working.

There's some "hybrid" rebreathers with both a CMF and a solenoid. The benefit is far fewer solenoid injections because the PPO2 doesn't drop as quickly due to the CMF constantly injecting the base amount of oxygen. If you're calm and relaxed it can be several minutes between solenoid injections, or you can manually run the rebreather.

The Revo is an hCCR.

 

[Heat Miser]

There's some "hybrid" rebreathers with both a CMF and a solenoid. The benefit is far fewer solenoid injections because the PPO2 doesn't drop as quickly due to the CMF constantly injecting the base amount of oxygen. If you're calm and relaxed it can be several minutes between solenoid injections, or you can manually run the rebreather.

The Revo is an hCCR.

Yes, the ppo2 on the choptima bounces around abit because of the solenoid, on the revo there appear to be a few less spikes because of the combination of CMF and solenoid.

 

[makar0n]

I don't know about carbon fibre tanks ... seems feasible .... can you put 100%O2 in them? A Google search said Air only but I wouldn't take that as gospel

Yes a CMF (Constant Mass Flow) is another name for a leaky valve ... I'm not certain you need one if the solenoid on the unit is working.

Well, seems not officially but apparently it works...just the servicing proves next to impossible apparently. Och well, maybe that is not such a swell idea after all

Aaach i thought i heard that CMF somewhere. Yeah that is exactly what i was thinking, more like to have the solenoid only operate when needed ie when leaky thingie is not enough. But for now more curious than anything, as guess that would mean unit is modified and that is a no no from insurance perspective (at least till it gets CE one day i hope)

 

[Superlyte27]

Who services their rebreather annually? Lol

 

[makar0n]

Who services their rebreather annually? Lol

Of course, I should have known xD

 

[makar0n]

Just wanted to say big thanks to all of you here who have contributed to this topic and enlightened the peasant...I am now a MOD1 Helitrox certified Choptima owner
Also kudos to @DiveTucson here for both great training and shopping experience and having the patience to last through my never ending barrage of questions without throwing any heavy objects in my general direction. If you are looking to get Choppy, look no further, just ping him, well worth it.

Now off to spread the Choppy love in the Euroland...by force if necessary

 

[Heat Miser]

Just wanted to say big thanks to all of you here who have contributed to this topic and enlightened the peasant...I am now a MOD1 Helitrox certified Choptima owner
Also kudos to @DiveTucson here for both great training and shopping experience and having the patience to last through my never ending barrage of questions without throwing any heavy objects in my general direction. If you are looking to get Choppy, look no further, just ping him, well worth it.

Now off to spread the Choppy love in the Euroland...by force if necessary

How do you have it setup? Sidemount with 7l steels?

 

[makar0n]

How do you have it setup? Sidemount with 7l steels?

For now I am going with bog standard OC setup with a 12L ALU (dilout) on the back i.e. as simple as possible. If going deeper/longer deco then 7L on the side (at least that is what've done so far). Not much into S&M diving