I know that today was "family day" for Jeremy; he and his crew and their wives/kids were out on the boat today fishing and what not.I sent emails to Raul and Jeremy. So far Raul was the only one to write back. Sounds like either one will be good for us. Colodale when in November will you be there? The 60 mm macro is a great lens add a flip diopter for supermacro