dive accident catalina 10/1/05 0230

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Have they posted a name for the lobster diver death anywhere? I heard an old co-worker of mine died in a diving accident over the weekend and I am thinking this was him.

If anyone has it, can they PM it to me?
 
My condolences to the families and friends and those who assisted in the rescue efforts of these divers. What a tragic situation. Peace to you all...

jennifer
 
Sorry that this incident was what brought you back, Sapphire, but I'm glad to know you are still here with us. Indeed condolences to those who experienced these two incidents, to those who tried to assist, and especially to the families and friends.
 
ablake:
Steve's Thought is that she had a great dive saw alot of the world that she loved to visit came up and went to sleep.
None of us get out of this alive. We should all be so lucky. Condolences to family and friends, and bon voyage Billy. May you find peace.
 
sirensmyst:
I was not on duty, I was supposed to be lobster diving. I had the beginings of a head cold (that I am suffering from greatly now) so I didn't dive. I was in the cove at the scene of the accident. Both stories are bogus. No one was treated in the Chamber. Information from the Chamber is confidential therefore not available to the public.

I wouldn't say both stories are bogus. I know one of them is true. The diver that got stuck in the kelp was a very good friend of ours. I don't dive. I just got on here to see what was being said. It is all very interesting, because we really don't know what happened to him, and we never will know. This is very hard to take. His name was Troy Reder, and he was a really good guy, and the fact is he's never coming home. He has a great group of friends who are very saddened by his death. And I read somewhere that someone was wondering if he was celebrating lobster season before he got in the water, but the hardest thing he probably drank was diet coke. So I don't think that was the problem. Like I said, I don't dive. I don't know anything about what he should have done or about his buddies letting him come up alone. I just know it's very tragic, and his viewing and funerual are this weekend.
 
Rob Holman:
Have they posted a name for the lobster diver death anywhere? I heard an old co-worker of mine died in a diving accident over the weekend and I am thinking this was him.

If anyone has it, can they PM it to me?


Rob,

The diver that past away was Troy Reder. I noticed that you are from Seattle, and I know Troy was working in Seattle for awhile. I don't know if this is your co-worker or not, if it is, I am so sorry to have to give you such sad news. My husband and Troy used to be roommates before we got married, and we have kept in contact with him through the years. This is just so sudden and so sad!!!! I don't know if you're in town but his viewing is Friday evening, October 7th. And his funeraul is Saturday, Oct. 8th, at 11:00 a.m at Dilday Mortuary in Hunington Beach.
 
I hope this doesn't come accross as insensitive but my understanding is that the purpose of this forum is analysis and I am anything but insensitive when it comes to diving accidents.

I've never been in kelp or even to the west coast for that matter but...I know it's common for divers to dive in a loose group often seperating. I know that low on air, tired or otherwise ready to end the dive divers often surface alone leaving the others to continue. I also know how often we hear of them not making it back to the boat.

Off the top of my head, this is the second diver that I've heard of in the last year or two who has been found just below the surface tangled in kelp. This one OOA and the other, as I recall, had plenty of air but lost his reg. In this case the diver headed up alone. In the other, as I recall, they were to descend and meet at the bottom but the diver never showed.

In any case, in general ascents and descents are dynamic portions of the dive where problems often happen. This is when you need to be most ready to respond. you can watch some one ascend all you want but if you're on the bottom and they're near the surface, you are NOT ready to respond and even if you can see them you may not be able to see a problem. People can dive how they want but I don't think it makes sense to let a low on air diver return to the boat alone. Too often it just doesn't work out. ok, it's common practice but maybe it shouldn't be so common. Solo diving is a different matter but even then I have come accross solo divers having trouble and taged along until they were back at the boat or shore. Actually, that's happened quit a few times. One we actually had to lift out of the water and the others were mostly just embarassed.

Some one earlier in the thread (I think the thread starter) brushed off the idea of redundant equipment pointing to the fact that cave diving has lots of empty seats at the top. I'm not sure what cave diving has to do with this but most of the empty seats have been those who were untrained or involved with pretty extreme stuff (usually exploration.). Cave diving has had it's share of heart attacks and stuff and with it's increase in popularity, I think we're seeing more "dumb accidents". Still, accidents are just that and their beginnings can be found in mistakes. Overhead environments do call for redundant equipment and so does being alone, IMO. It seems almost like both were involved here (planned or not) because it seems to me that if you're likely to go under kelp rather than over, it then becomes an overhead environment and should be treated as such. Going under anything with a nearly empty tank just doesn't seem wise. Bill mentioned that he might with 500 psi because 500 psi would get him a long way. Maybe that's true if you are swimming relaxed and unhindered but what if you have a problem...like getting all tangled in kelp? I guess we don't know if he got tangled and ran out or ran out then got tangled but either way underwater is no place to be without air so there wasn't enough for what he was doing.

Gas management...several times in this thread some one has mentioned the magic number of 500 psi, either in reference to being back on the boat or surfacing. There's nothing majic about that number and you don't need ANY gas on the boat. You need the gas to get back to the boat. Stating that you want 500 psi on the boat says NOTHING about when you need to end the dive in order to meet that goal. You need enough gas to get to the boat and that includes the ascent (possibly providing a buddy with gas) and it includes anything on or near the surface that may require you to use it. Things like...who knows?...rough seas, having to duck under some kelp, a sudden loss of buoyancy or whatever. In either case, long surface swims especially with complicating factors is good cause to reserve more gas.

Would-a-should-a-could-a...I know but I, personally would not be comfortable with a low on air diver going back alone especially knowing that there are complicating factors like kelp, rough seas, cold water or any one of a million other things. It seems to me that in this case "common practice" whether causative or not is just being accepted because it's "common practice" and not because it works. Lots of things that aren't so good are plenty common. Not only are deaths like this needless and sad but the way people respond to them and fail to learn from them is sad because there are going to be more just like them. Do what you always did and you'll get what you always got.
 
I also work for that Seattle company that Troy (that sounds much better than "Diver 1") used to work for and knew him to be quite the outdoorsman. He was a good man and, at work, I knew him to be a rational person and I would doubt that he thought anything was wrong that night until it was too late.

What I say below comes with full respect for Troy with the hope that the chance of future incidents like this can be reduced.

Everyone who dives Catalina or any other location with kelp should learn a lesson from Troy's death. I thought long and hard before I decided to add my post to this thread but stuff like this has happened before and will happen again. It is my hope that this message thread will help other divers learn from what might have happened that night.

While nobody can say for sure what happened to Troy in those last few minutes, it should be noted that many diving accidents are the result of a chain of events - not just one single event. I am not going speculate on what happened to Troy (other than possible kelp entaglement) but many of us can think of a number of things, hypotetically, that could go wrong on a night dive. Having any of those things happen on a dark, moonless night in 65 degree water can be a challenge. Hypothetically speaking, how would any of us deal with a combination of these things happening at almost the same time?

Dr. Bill's and posting by others in this thread are very informative and I can see wisdom in their advice. I hope that more people share their experiences and wisdom so that we all can learn from this horrible experience.

I love this sport and I am so sorry that Troy is gone. I understand that several people worked hard to save him. My prayers will be with the rescuers, his two other dive buddies and all those who were close to him. Because I love the sport, I also pray that others will pay attention to this thread and others like it.

It would be great if we never had another death like this again.
 
I was in the same type of situation 25 years ago off Catalina. I was diving with my instructor buddy for abs, in kelp. I was low on air and he wasn't so he told me to go up and head toward the boat. It was a live aboard with plenty of staff anchored 100 yards away. I came up and was tangled in kelp. I turned quickly kind of panicky and really got stuck. Kelp was all over my tank valve and everyehere else. So, I waited until my buddy surfaced. He got me out, took the heavy bag of abs and off we went. The bag of abs really weighed me down so I was stuck and also confused. My advice to any inexperienced kelp diver is if you get caught, wait for your buddy to get you untangled. The kelp crawl is very effective. On shore dives we used to dive with surf mats and you could fin your way over the kelp. Kind of like flying on a magic carpet.
 

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