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[BigJetDriver]

In response to a question by "Cornfed", I sent him a private e-mail naming Mike Madden and Mike Fowler as just two. I would like to thank Duncan Price for the information on the other groups.
Their exploits have received almost no public mention, and are certainly worthy of high praise!

 

[cornfed]

Duncan Price once bubbled...

two of them [Brits] took their homebuilt CCR's down Cueva Cheve in Mexico and dived a couple of sumps on them to scoop the N. America cave depth record recently....

Duncan

Edit: added links

How do you figure depth for deco purposes in a sump? The link about Cueva Cheve mentioned that the sump was about 1400 meters down into the cave. Do you do something like adjusting tables for dives above sea level?

Cornfed

 

[Red Rat]

As far as distance from air is concerned; Cocklebiddy in Western Australia has been dived to a length of 6520m (or about 21 000 ft)

The first guy to hit the 6500m mark swam it. No scooter and no chest beating.

There is a expedition planned for next month to hopefully add a bit more line. There probably won't be anyone jumping on the net and telling everyone how good they are if they succeed either.

 

[detroit diver]

Red Rat once bubbled...
As far as distance from air is concerned; Cocklebiddy in Western Australia has been dived to a length of 6520m (or about 21 000 ft)

The first guy to hit the 6500m mark swam it. No scooter and no chest beating.

There is a expedition planned for next month to hopefully add a bit more line. There probably won't be anyone jumping on the net and telling everyone how good they are if they succeed either.

How deep was this dive?

 

[Red Rat]

Averave is about the 16m mark. And before I get jumped on the length is 6260m or 20660 feet. Sorry:embarr:

 

[saturated]

Impressive!, do you know what gear they use?

 

[Mverick]

link

http://www.cavepage.magna.com.au/cave/cklbid.html

They seem to go for a day. And stop in an open cave and camp out. Go for another day. Camp out again. Then go for the last day. But these guy's used scooters......

Seemed like the longest continous run they had was 2 hours. Not alot of deco obligations either.

 

[detroit diver]

Red Rat once bubbled...
As far as distance from air is concerned; Cocklebiddy in Western Australia has been dived to a length of 6520m (or about 21 000 ft)

The first guy to hit the 6500m mark swam it. No scooter and no chest beating.

There is a expedition planned for next month to hopefully add a bit more line. There probably won't be anyone jumping on the net and telling everyone how good they are if they succeed either.

Uh, RedHat,

You might want to read the article again before posting inaccurate information here.

They were NOT 6500m from air. In fact, the traveled short distances to sumps and set up camp ABOVE THE WATER. Then they went a little farther and camped there also.

Please don't try and bash the accomplishments of the WKPP divers regardless of what you think of the team leader. There has been no one, to my knowledge, that has done a 19000 ft penetration at 300 feet. And the only one that has come close are the EKPP divers that are associated with the WKPP, but are based in Europe.

There won't be any chest beating by the Cocklebiddy guys, 'cause there's nothing to beat for. They went on a camping trip and did a little cave diving.


Mverick-thanks for that link.

 

[Charlie99]

detroit diver once bubbled...
There won't be any chest beating by the Cocklebiddy guys, 'cause there's nothing to beat for. They went on a camping trip and did a little cave diving.

It took some pretty serious work to set up the logistics of the "little cave dives".

Detroit Diver, is there something about the DIR mentality that causes you to belittle the accomlishments of others?

 

[detroit diver]

Charlie99 once bubbled...
It took some pretty serious work to set up the logistics of the "little cave dives".

Detroit Diver, is there something about the DIR mentality that causes you to belittle the accomlishments of others?

Charlie,

Read his post again, and then answer your own question. It was obviously targeted at bashing DIR, GI, and everything GUE connected right from the outset. And he used blatently wrong information to do that.

Let's set the information straight:

1. The divers did NOT dive 6500 meters from air.
2. They USED scooters.

If you read this article, this was a well organized dive and camping trip. As Mverick points out, no dive was greater than 2 hours (big deal). And the average depth was 50 feet! Cave divers do more than this EVERY DAY.

Listen, it's a nicely setup dive, with great TV coverage and a lot of logistics problems. But it's not what RedRat put it up to be. I don't cave dive, but I can recognize the difference between a dive like this and what was accomplished by the WKPP and EKPP. In fact, I can further recognize the difference between what RedRat has posted and a lot of spectacular dives that have not used the DIR method.

This isn't about "DIR mentality", and I think you know that. This is about facts presented about a dive that didn't exist compared to one of the greatest accomplishments of the cave dive world.