Tigerscuba
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Oh sorry,
DIR=Halcyon
They do indeed offer some great training, On halcyon gear.
DIR=Halcyon
They do indeed offer some great training, On halcyon gear.
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PEople like the ones saturated is talking about piss me off in general.....I don't care if they're DIR, white, purple, PADI, straight, insane, or whatever. Anyone with the attitude of my way's better than yours.....you suck and need to change, blah blah blah....are all people who piss me off, and are a waste of time/energey.
As for the DIR OC gear configuration....if you are into technical diving or wreck diving, it really makes a lot of sense. It is very streamlined and there is plenty of redundancy. As for OW rec divers like myself, we benefit from seeing the skills that these people have to use in caves. these guys have so much control in the water, it made me want to puke...namely b/c I didn't look 1/8th as good as they did, but they don't have much choice if they want to be able to dives caves, leave the environment undisturbed, and get back out if something were to happen.
I am not going to die b/c my frog kick is not perfoect, I am not going to die b/c I can't back up kick without losing a little buyoancy.....but I am also not ready to go in a cave or wreck yet.
As for a jacket BC....if you have one that has some bladder on the back around and next to the tank, you are going to be o.k. It is not perfect or ideal b/c you will not be able to get back into a nice trim position easily, but it will suffice. DD is right with his description from an engineering stand point....but if your jacket doesn't have much (if any) room for air in the back, the rig will not work very well.
Frankly I want to change my gear around and get some new stuff b/c a bp/wing is easier to manage and more efficent....but I have to do a little saving first.
Jason - If you have the chance to take the class, do it, even if you totally disagree with a lot of gear choices or whatever, watching these guys in the water, and seeing yourself on video doing skills is worth the price of the class.
As for the DIR OC gear configuration....if you are into technical diving or wreck diving, it really makes a lot of sense. It is very streamlined and there is plenty of redundancy. As for OW rec divers like myself, we benefit from seeing the skills that these people have to use in caves. these guys have so much control in the water, it made me want to puke...namely b/c I didn't look 1/8th as good as they did, but they don't have much choice if they want to be able to dives caves, leave the environment undisturbed, and get back out if something were to happen.
I am not going to die b/c my frog kick is not perfoect, I am not going to die b/c I can't back up kick without losing a little buyoancy.....but I am also not ready to go in a cave or wreck yet.
As for a jacket BC....if you have one that has some bladder on the back around and next to the tank, you are going to be o.k. It is not perfect or ideal b/c you will not be able to get back into a nice trim position easily, but it will suffice. DD is right with his description from an engineering stand point....but if your jacket doesn't have much (if any) room for air in the back, the rig will not work very well.
Frankly I want to change my gear around and get some new stuff b/c a bp/wing is easier to manage and more efficent....but I have to do a little saving first.
Jason - If you have the chance to take the class, do it, even if you totally disagree with a lot of gear choices or whatever, watching these guys in the water, and seeing yourself on video doing skills is worth the price of the class.
Scubaroo
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Crap! The only pieces of Halcyon gear I own are a backplate and wing, and some gaiters (which probably aren't DIR anyway) - I'm pretty sure if I rocked up to a DIR-F (one day) with a FredT backplate and an OMS non-bungeed wing they'd still teach me.
If DIR is such a marketing exercise, how come there isn't a Halcyon-branded drysuit or regulator - they are the big-ticket items. And the RB80 would be a lot more accessable rather than only to people who have completed Tech 2 or some such requirement.
The Fundamentals book does push some specific Halcyon gear, but that's not the be-all and end-all of what DIR is. Gear is only part of the thing. People keep getting hung up on the gear issues.
As I see it, a Back-plate is a hunk of steel or aluminum.....put whatever label you want on it.
A wing is a wing....but not many people make a singles wing yet....the main thing with a wing is to be sure the bladder and material are durable, the inflator hose is long enough to comfortably reach, but not flap around in the water, and that it has a reachable/functional dump
Jets or whatever solid rubber fin you want are the most all-around efficent for the various kicks and turns for the type of diving cavers and wreck guys do.
Most of them liek Halcyon b/c it is good gear....BMW 900 series of diving gear....it is the F1 division in racing.....call it what you want, they use gear that they like.
Me, I'm a firday night dirt-track guy who is going to have a lot of fun diving.
DIR not DIR who cares, I'm a breatrher guy, always have been always will be. My personal opinion is that the DIR guys may have a great system for OC. But they have'nt got a clue on breathers. Herin lies the problem. Instead of promoting what they know and are good at they attack what they dont understand. Argue till your blue, but I'd venture to say that I may have a couple thousand hours and ten or twenty years on the guys spouting their BS.
As for tigerscubas remarks, for all you OC guys. IN CASE YOU HAVENT NOTICED THIS IS A REBREATHER FORUM. What Rebreather is approved by GUE, The Halcyon rb-80.
You can slam all you want, simple fact remains DIR is an OC regimine and quite good in that niche! They dont know S###t about breathers.
Halcyon, diverite, wahtever....Doesnt mean anything on a breather.
I started this post as a vent, and have appologized to those I offended. DIR is great for OC, but has absoluteley nothing to offer in breathers. If they were truly great they would design courses for existing systems. Why not provide better training on the inspiration if they can do so? If I had the clout to possibly add to the safety of thousands of rebreather divers and develop a program as intensive as the OC DIR appears to be, would'nt that be a great asset to the rebreather community. Instead they spout off, and accomplish nothing.
If DIR had offerings on other units that where as good a training concept as they do on OC and rb80, I'd sign up today!
As for tigerscubas remarks, for all you OC guys. IN CASE YOU HAVENT NOTICED THIS IS A REBREATHER FORUM. What Rebreather is approved by GUE, The Halcyon rb-80.
You can slam all you want, simple fact remains DIR is an OC regimine and quite good in that niche! They dont know S###t about breathers.
Halcyon, diverite, wahtever....Doesnt mean anything on a breather.
I started this post as a vent, and have appologized to those I offended. DIR is great for OC, but has absoluteley nothing to offer in breathers. If they were truly great they would design courses for existing systems. Why not provide better training on the inspiration if they can do so? If I had the clout to possibly add to the safety of thousands of rebreather divers and develop a program as intensive as the OC DIR appears to be, would'nt that be a great asset to the rebreather community. Instead they spout off, and accomplish nothing.
If DIR had offerings on other units that where as good a training concept as they do on OC and rb80, I'd sign up today!
Dude relax....sorry if I ruffled any feathers....maybe you should have originally posted in the Basic discussion forum since it wasn't strictly a breather post in the first place....you were talking about OC for a bit if I remember correctly......
boomx5
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Are you aware of WKPP's accomplishments on rebreathers?
I need to get into Amway and sell to you guys.
Oh my, haha. Come back when you (or anyone, for that matter) beats 18,000 feet penetration at 300 feet of depth on a breather.
I don't know a damned thing about rebreathers, but I know that when you hold world records for rebreather dives, you have something going for you, and some fool on an online forum saying "DIR... has absoluteley [sic] nothing to offer in breathers" is just that.
here's a link that is all about what some of these guys are doing on breathers.....now I have no desire at this point to be a part of this team, but maybe you could read some of this and decide for yourself what they have or have-not done.
http://www.gue.com/research/wkpp/reports/index.shtml
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