DIR, WKPP, GUE, and Halcyon Part 1 of 3

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What ever happened to part 2 and part 3 of the original post?

This thread was hijacked at great length (which I'm probably guilty of as well), but I'm interested in hearing the rest of what Jarrod and his team have to say.
 
I'm sure he will post it in good time. If you've seen his schedule you would faint. It's nuts. I'm surprised he had time to post here to be honest with you.
 
roakey once bubbled...
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I've been trying to get a hold of them for over a month via email to customer service without success.

Their order line works just fine however. :rolleyes:
 
For many years, I have watched--without responding--as some people have rewritten cave diving history to support their personal agendas. And for those many years, I have generally been amused by "facts" that are inaccurate and by events that never actually occurred. However, Jarrod's article demands a response from me, so I am making my first ever Internet posting. I feel compelled to make this response for two primary reasons.

First, Jarrod uses the words "twisted facts" in his post, when, in fact, several of his own "facts" are inaccurate. Second, I spoke to Jarrod recently and told him I was going to write an article regarding the differences between the Hogarthian configuration and DIR. When Jarrod heard this news, he became defensive and asked me not to write the article because it "would stir things up." So I complied with his request and did not write the article. If, however, I wrote the article now, there are several things I might say.

For example, I might mention that Lloyd Bailey, my long time friend, certified Jarrod in full cave on October 23, 1989, a date that's after some of the events about which Jarrod writes with seeming authority. In actuality, Jarrod was not there in the early days of the WKPP, nor was anyone else currently in that organization around in those days. In my non-article, I also might write an interesting tidbit to put some perspective on Jarrod's position in the equation. Specifically, when Jarrod was working at Ginnie Springs, we used to dive a lot together. One night, while we were decompressing on the log in Devil's Ear, I used my slate to ask Jarrod in what year he was born. When he wrote his response, I realized that I had been decompressing on what seemed to be the same log when he was only three years old. As a result, the cave diving history on which Jarrod reports is frequently nothing more than hearsay. Inasmuch as this is the case, I'd like to correct the most glaring errors Jarrod makes in his posting.

Specifically, Sheck Exley died before the term "DIR" was used. Furthermore, in the beginning of DIR, the basic configuration was the same as Hogarthian, although differences did come into play later. As far as the coining of the term "Hogarthian configuration" is concerned, the mastermind of those words was John Zumrick and not Bill Gavin. And, finally, the main theme of the original WKPP members was of minimalism and the complete elimination of danglies. The poor gear configuration of which Jarrod writes in his post was definitely not characteristic of the initial WKPP group, and again, Jarrod wasn't around to even witness what our gear configuration was.

In closing, Jarrod has been a part of some big events in cave diving and has made some incredible dives. However, I have always believed that if you must report on or write about parts of cave diving history, you will make fewer mistakes if you were there.

William Hogarth Main
 
Atticus once bubbled...
What ever happened to part 2 and part 3 of the original post?

This thread was hijacked at great length (which I'm probably guilty of as well), but I'm interested in hearing the rest of what Jarrod and his team have to say.

I think the delay must be that JJ and his team are quietly revising that history of theirs now that some of the facts are being gently 'untwisted' :)

'The truth may drift but you will never see it drowning' :wink:
 
William Main once bubbled...
Second, I spoke to Jarrod recently and told him I was going to write an article regarding the differences between the Hogarthian configuration and DIR. When Jarrod heard this news, he became defensive and asked me not to write the article because it "would stir things up." So I complied with his request and did not write the article.

William Hogarth Main

Putting all that other stuff aside ... I, for one, hope you reconsider and write the article.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
Jarrod,

I personally think that you’re just a guy who did his homework in psychology and economics class. You’ve done well for yourself and for that I congratulate you. You’ve managed to spin a tangled web and until recently you somehow convinced people that all of your business ventures were unrelated. Oops, you just got caught; go away and get over it or start selling scooters.

Your post here is insulting to the diver with a brain that might actually be capable of original thought. It’s sad to see you and your sidekick, the ‘roid Ranger (George Irvine the 3rd in case you had no idea who the hopped up maniac in your life was), consider yourselves the only people on the planet with functional grey matter.

For me to go on about how disgusting your convoluted misconceiving tales are would only provide you with a medium to soak up more free exposure and I think we’ve done enough of that already.

Please go back to your Quest list and post there as you see fit. Tell your Questonians that you have seen the dive god and that he has an “H” tattoo. Times can’t be that bad that you have to venture out of GUE Mecca to impress people here (and there are some impressionable dolts here) with your splendid ability to think and provide wisdom.
 
I fell for it just as you all have. This was a free advertising opportunity. All Jablonski had to do was start a thread and we scuba dolt warriors took of with the debate. Don’t we look like sheep?



Way to go GUE, DIR, Halcyon, Brownie, EE super marketer. Splendid work (taking private investors?...I could give a **** about people…lets make some money …you should be able to relate to that :) ).
 
H2OHead once bubbled...

For me to go on about how disgusting your convoluted misconceiving tales are would only provide you with a medium to soak up more free exposure and I think we’ve done enough of that already.

Please feel free to clear up any misconceptions or inaccuracies posted by JJ.

But first, who are you and why should we listen to you?
 
H2OHead once bubbled...
Jarrod,

I personally think that you’re just a guy who did his homework in psychology and economics class. You’ve done well for yourself and for that I congratulate you. You’ve managed to spin a tangled web and until recently you somehow convinced people that all of your business ventures were unrelated. Oops, you just got caught; go away and get over it or start selling scooters.


People want to know who you are. Are you going to tell us or just sit around and play sockpuppet? If you have some facts we would like to know, if not why are even opening your mouth?
 
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