Dir & Gue???
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SparticleBrane
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Is it really? For whatever reason I had it in my head that it was non-profit. I withdraw my earlier statement that it's non-profit.lamont:
Taken from the GUE website.
H2Andy
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well, they started out as a for-profit, but decided to change their mission to match their accounting results
kidding!
kidding!
My perception is that GUE itself is non-profit, but...
It intends to make expenses, including promotion.
It intends for its instructors to be abe to charge enough to survive.
Its founders have a for-profit business closely related to and promoted by GUE.
The GUE-Halcyon relationship presents a sort of Hobson's choice - either Halcyon pays GUE for it's advertising efforts and we view GUE as a major part of Halcyon's advertising arm, or Halcyon doesn't pay GUE and we view GUE as somewhat shady, using its "non-profit" dollars to promote Halcyon. In either case, GUE's stated objectives and its promotion of Halcyon make it "less than pure."
Again, my perception.
Frankly, I wouldn't care if GUE were a wholly owned subsidiary of Halcyon or vice versa, or that any agency owned or was owned by an equipment manufacturer - I don't see that it would be a bad thing, and such a relationship's advantages may well outweight any disadvantages... but GUE's occasional attempts to say it's not in bed with Halcyon I perceive as disingenuous - and irritating.
Again, my perception. And I think mine is a fairly common perception.
Rick
It intends to make expenses, including promotion.
It intends for its instructors to be abe to charge enough to survive.
Its founders have a for-profit business closely related to and promoted by GUE.
The GUE-Halcyon relationship presents a sort of Hobson's choice - either Halcyon pays GUE for it's advertising efforts and we view GUE as a major part of Halcyon's advertising arm, or Halcyon doesn't pay GUE and we view GUE as somewhat shady, using its "non-profit" dollars to promote Halcyon. In either case, GUE's stated objectives and its promotion of Halcyon make it "less than pure."
Again, my perception.
Frankly, I wouldn't care if GUE were a wholly owned subsidiary of Halcyon or vice versa, or that any agency owned or was owned by an equipment manufacturer - I don't see that it would be a bad thing, and such a relationship's advantages may well outweight any disadvantages... but GUE's occasional attempts to say it's not in bed with Halcyon I perceive as disingenuous - and irritating.
Again, my perception. And I think mine is a fairly common perception.
Rick
I just want to say that, in all my dealings with the two GUE instructors I've spent time with, there has never been any promotion of Halcyon. There has never been any mention of specific brands of anything. Nor have the criteria for acceptable gear been so finely drawn as to make Halcyon the inevitable choice.
My understanding is that, when GUE was started, there weren't a lot of options for buying gear that met the DIR criteria, and Halcyon was founded in part for that reason. That is certainly no longer true, although they still make some very nice quality things. Although I've acquired a distaste for the company from the internet behavior of some of its people, I have, to my annoyance, ended up with pieces of Halcyon equipment simply because I tried other brands and found I preferred the Halcyon product.
My understanding is that, when GUE was started, there weren't a lot of options for buying gear that met the DIR criteria, and Halcyon was founded in part for that reason. That is certainly no longer true, although they still make some very nice quality things. Although I've acquired a distaste for the company from the internet behavior of some of its people, I have, to my annoyance, ended up with pieces of Halcyon equipment simply because I tried other brands and found I preferred the Halcyon product.
I do recall reading that GUE was non-profit. Not sure if that changed. But nevertheless, who cares? I think they do great work and have had a great deal of influence on diving in the last 10 years or so.
The Halcyon/EE/GUE connection..... 'nice work if you can get it'.
The Halcyon/EE/GUE connection..... 'nice work if you can get it'.
H2Andy
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Meng_Tze:
yes, that is their official status
http://www.sunbiz.org/scripts/corde...&r1=&r2=&r3=&r4=GLOBALUNDERWATEREXPLORERS&r5=
*Floater*
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When I took DIRF the instructor used his H gear to demonstrate the DIR gear setup. He also breifly explained how Halcyon came about (WKPP couldn't get other manufacturers to make the gear they wanted so JJ started his own company), and he went over some specifics about how, for example, the H wings were built to WKPP specifications.
Also, the dive shop where the course took place stocked H gear. However, the instructor never suggested that we should specifically buy Halcyon to be DIR, nor did he say anything bad about other manufacturers, although he suggested I remove the thingie at end of my wing's rear dump valve cord among other things.
Also, the dive shop where the course took place stocked H gear. However, the instructor never suggested that we should specifically buy Halcyon to be DIR, nor did he say anything bad about other manufacturers, although he suggested I remove the thingie at end of my wing's rear dump valve cord among other things.
serambin
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Profit - nonprofit - no profit. Who cares. I'm not diving with no stinking body that isn't worth making a living. They eat - someones got to pay, remember, no free lunch.
GUE, just another acronym with some good people behind it.
Stan
GUE, just another acronym with some good people behind it.
Stan
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