DIR: God's gift to diving or Hell spawn?

[DennisS]

Of course, as was noted by one of our Moderators, THIS forum is NOT the DIR forum. There is a separate and reserved place for them.

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It seems that a lot of new members that have less than 10 posts are not familiar with the layout of scubaboard. They just have to ask the question "what is DIR" and start a thread.

Someone needs to show them the way and teach them the proper procedures. Perhaps a scubaboard fundamentals class to teach them basic search functions, page down and other basic skills they should have learned earlier. Scubaboard fundamentals class could lead the way in forum exploration.

What are the advantages of scubaboard-f.

Why does everybody hate me when I post about scubaboard-f for the 500th time?

Scubaboard-f class May 32, Needles, Calif

Do I have to use Windows XP with scubaboard-f?

Is a laptop suitable for scubaboard-f

 

[roakey]

Of course, as was noted by one of our Moderators, THIS forum is NOT the DIR forum. There is a separate and reserved place for them.

Which is why this thread is here. Your point is?

Roak

 

[MikeFerrara]

Of course, as was noted by one of our Moderators, THIS forum is NOT the DIR forum. There is a separate and reserved place for them.

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It seems that a lot of new members that have less than 10 posts are not familiar with the layout of scubaboard. They just have to ask the question "what is DIR" and start a thread.

Someone needs to show them the way and teach them the proper procedures. Perhaps a scubaboard fundamentals class to teach them basic search functions, page down and other basic skills they should have learned earlier. Scubaboard fundamentals class could lead the way in forum exploration.

What are the advantages of scubaboard-f.

Why does everybody hate me when I post about scubaboard-f for the 500th time?

Scubaboard-f class May 32, Needles, Calif

Do I have to use Windows XP with scubaboard-f?

Is a laptop suitable for scubaboard-f

I'm available to teach this class.

Max number of students...6
course cost...$300 in monopoly money plus expenses.
Course duration...2 1/2 days.

Topics covered

Team Scuba Boarding
Scuba boarding and the long hose.
Anti-silting techniques for browsing forums.
Stream lining for Scuba Boarding.
Gas management for Scuba Boarding.
Rock bottom calculations for beer, coffee or pop (they are all handled differently).

Include one free copy of me article addressing one of our most critical concerns titled...
"Why we don't do bounce posts" on Scuba Board.

Scuba Board fundamentals certification is required for all more advanced classes but remember the object isn't to be certified the goal is to learn! The card expires in three hours anyway without logbook proof of 30 posts to your highest certification level.

 

[BigJetDriver]

I'm available to teach this class.

Max number of students...6
course cost...$300 in monopoly money plus expenses.
Course duration...2 1/2 days.

Topics covered

Team Scuba Boarding
Scuba boarding and the long hose.
Anti-silting techniques for browsing forums.
Stream lining for Scuba Boarding.
Gas management for Scuba Boarding.
Rock bottom calculations for beer, coffee or pop (they are all handled differently).

Include one free copy of me article addressing one of our most critical concerns titled...
"Why we don't do bounce posts" on Scuba Board.

Scuba Board fundamentals certification is required for all more advanced classes but remember the object isn't to be certified the goal is to learn! The card expires in three hours anyway without logbook proof of 30 posts to your highest certification level.

Well done, Mike! Good one! LMAO

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:cwmddd: "Well, monkey, I don't give a peddler's damn whether you wank DIR or dive Supreme."---(Mr. Natural)

 

[BigJetDriver]

Which is why this thread is here. Your point is?

Roak

My point would be that a discussion about DIR should remain in the section so marked, not taking up yet another part of the ScubaBoard! Your point is---???

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:cwmddd: "Well, monkey, I don't give a peddler's damn whether you wank DIR or dive Supreme."---(Mr. Natural)

 

[roakey]

The DIR section is for help implementing the DIR system as defined. Not for debating the system, which is why this note is here.

Roak

 

[BigJetDriver]

Folks,

Just as a point to be able to state my opinion, DIR is only "God's Gift to Diving" if you are of the cult that believes in GI3 as "God Incarnated for the 3rd time".

This is NOT to say, however, that "DIR"-style diving does not have things that are good and helpful to teach us as divers.

Who, after all, can argue that streamlining your rig (as much as is possible) is a bad idea? Who can argue that constant practice to attain good bouyancy and trim is bad? Who can argue that a frog-kick (or some form of it) is not a good way to keep from stirring up the silt? Who can argue that staying in shape, not smoking, and living a healthier life-style is in any way BAD advice, for God's sake! (You will pardon, I hope, my intentional double entendre! )

The attempt to get the general rank of divers to strive for better practices is a "Good Work", and a long, tough row to hoe. Unfortunately, the good message has been obscured, at times, by the sheer arrogance of some of the movement's leaders, and by some of its (self-professed) acolytes.

(Again, as a merely personal aside, I have friends who are practioners of the "art", instructors in the cave community for instance, from whom I have learned. I value them as friends, and for what they have taught me. I still laugh ruefully about some of it!)

So, are they "God's Gift"? The answer must of course be a resounding: "NO". Are they "Hellspawn"? The answer must also be a resounding: "NO".

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:cwmddd: "Well, monkey, I don't give a peddler's damn whether you wank DIR or dive Supreme."---(Mr. Natural)

Okay, Roger. I believe I understand. The DIR forum is the "protected zone", and this one is the "free fire zone", n'est pas?

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:cwmddd: "Well, monkey, I don't give a peddler's damn whether you wank DIR or dive Supreme."---(Mr. Natural)

 

[pipedope]

Not a free fire zone.

Discussions must still remain civil and at least a reasonable attempt to remain on topic.

He is putting threads together so that this discussion will all be in one place and not spread all over uncounted threads.

Now, everybody go back and read the thread from the begining and see if your question hasn't been answered or your point stated at least twice before.

I will see you all when you get back in a week or two.

 

[BigJetDriver]

Now, everybody go back and read the thread from the begining and see if your question hasn't been answered or your point stated at least twice before.

I will see you all when you get back in a week or two.

Two weeks, torn between heaven and hell. Truly the vision of Dante's Inferno!!!

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:cwmddd: "Well, monkey, I don't give a peddler's damn whether you wank DIR or dive Supreme."---(Mr. Natural)

 

[roakey]

Okay, Roger. I believe I understand. The DIR forum is the "protected zone", and this one is the "free fire zone", n'est pas?

The oversimplified answer is yes, but let me offer some refinement to that answer... There's a couple points I'd like to make. If you really want to know what motivates me, please take the time to read this in its entirety. I'm sorry that it's long, but complex answers are rarely short.

First off, I see this board as a great source of information. One thing I don't like to see is making that information difficult to find via duplicate posts, which fragment the information and spread it thinly over the entire breadth of the file. For this reason where I put most of my effort as moderator is finding duplicate topics and combining them so folks have one stop shopping for information. See the [now] two major tank painting notes in the tanks etc. forum. I point to these two notes as my biggest successes, they were literally several dozen notes, all asking the same questions over and over again. It got to the point I was noticing that the people knowledgeable about tank painting [I do not count myself among them] were no longer answering the questions, they gave up having answered the same question many times before.

So in the forums I'm interested in I try and condense multiple same-topic threads into one. Admittedly with various degrees of success. The sooner I can catch a new duplicate post and move it into an existing thread, the better my success because many times I've noticed no one answering the thread because the answer is already there. Some notable failures would be, for example, "What's a backplate and wing?" of which there's probably hundreds of separate threads -- I should have gotten a earlier start, but I've given up. I used to spend time answering the question, but no longer, I don't even open threads asking that question anymore. I'm sure I'm not the only backplate diver that has given up answering, and as such, the answers people are getting aren't as good as they were the first couple dozen times the question was asked. Information suffers.

This DIR / anti-DIR (for lack of better phrasing) has been going on ever since I joined this file. I really don't think I've heard one new argument on either side for years. But these arguments are all over the file, and they're hidden behind innocuous titles like "Need wing help" which will make them difficult to find and condense.

Lastly, as a DIR proponent I may not personally like the debate, but it would be ethically wrong to stifle it. So all I want to do is to give it a home where it can continue to be debated for years to come I'm sure, since I've seen no signs of it waning over the last couple of years.

And if you have a better name for the thread, PM me.

Roger