Din or Yoke?

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Scott T

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I did a search, and to my surprise, didn't find anything. HMM.

Anyway, I am getting ready to buy a regulator setup (or put together my own) but don't fully understand the DIN vs Yoke. I know the bascic physical characteristics are different and I've been told you can increase the bottle pressure a little with the DIN, but other than that, what will affect my decision?
Are they both servicable world wide? Will most/all local and international shops be able to supply tanks with both?

Thanks,

Scott
 
but don't fully understand the DIN vs Yoke.
I know the bascic physical characteristics are different and I've been told you can increase the bottle pressure a little with the DIN, but other than that, what will affect my decision?
With HP tanks yes! DIN is more secure, Yoke a bit easier to handle
Are they both servicable world wide? Yes!
Will most/all local and international shops be able to supply tanks with both?You can buy your own adapter to make it sure, or get tank with a valve suitable for both DIN and Yoke.
 
I'm a visual learner, so I'll post some images to help out. Hopefully XS scuba won't mind I'm linking a pic from their site. I'm not putting these pics up to be condescending, but don't exactly know what your familiarity is with both connections; plus pictures help me illustrate :)

This is a reg with a DIN connection:

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The O-ring for a DIN is captured inside a lip on the reg connection itself - so when it mates to the din valve on the tank - the o-ring is less likely to come loose (it's being forced farther into the groove in the reg). You'll also notice because it mates inside the tank valve so deeply, empirically, it would just seem that it's stronger. Like TeddyDiver pointed out, if you ever end up using a HP (High Pressure take - 3442 psi), I've only ever seen them used with DIN connections.
DINs also have two sub-categories, if you will, of connections - 200/232 bar (~3000 PSI) and 300 bar (~4400 psi). In reality, today the type of DIN has less to do with amount of pressure it will take, and rather the physical number of threads on the screw part of the valve and/or reg. 200/232 bar connections have 5 threads, and 300 bar have 7 threads. Just about all DIN regs are 300 bar, b/c they work with both 200/232 bar valves and 300 bar valves. The reason they do this is so you don't put a lower service pressure reg into a potentially higher service providing valve (too high a pressure on the reg parts, etc. if they're not designed for it). Again, most every new DIN reg I know of today is 300 bar, so it'll work fine with any DIN tank valve. I hope this bit wasn't as confusing as I think it is now that I'm re-reading it =X

The following is a reg with a yoke connection:

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These are the most popular connection types for regs and tanks in the US and the Caribbean. I'd say 80% of shops / resorts use this type of connection, though some will have a tank that can do both. The yoke connection is just what we've always used, and similarly as with switching from Imperial to Metric, we're just stubborn ;)
There's nothing wrong with yokes, but the o-ring is captured in the tank valve, and in my experience, is prone to more wear because of its exposure on the front of the tank valve (leading to having to replace it more often), and coming loose more often (can't explain it - but I've had bad luck with yoke valve o-rings. Whenever I rent yoke tanks for friends, I've had to replace o-ring on them at a rate of about 1/4 - although this could also be due to them being rentals :/).

The following is a pic (thanks XS :P - if I need to edit this link out, let me know) of what's generally called a PRO valve:

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It is a 232 bar DIN valve with a screw-in insert that converts the valve to yoke so it can be used by either type of reg, or filled at the shop if the shop can only fill yoke valves. This is what I have on all my tanks, including my doubles manifold, mostly b/c my wife has yoke on her reg and I have DIN on mine - so we can use them interchangeably.


If you get a DIN reg (which I personally prefer because I think it is slightly more secure and less of a chance of coming off in an overhead environment; but let me also say that there is nothing wrong with yoke - people have dived them for years), you will want to get one of these:

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This is a din->yoke adapter for your reg. There's a female DIN thread on the end of the adapter for your reg to screw in to that converts your reg temporarily to yoke so you can use any yoke tank. This is the final reason I prefer DIN over yoke. It is much easier to convert DIN to yoke with one of these adapters, in my opinion, that to convert a yoke reg to DIN with a conversion kit (which means using pliars, wrenches, tools, etc. to remove the yoke connection and install a DIN).

To summarize, they are both serviceable worldwide, as TeddyDiver pointed out, and DIN are the standard in Europe, much like we use yoke as the standard in the US.

Good luck making your decision!
 
Hey,
Thanks for the replies. I especially like the pics as they helped a lot. I'm now leaning towards the DIN for several of the reasons you listed including more secure, more protected O-ring and ease of conversion. Anyone else have any idea on this?

Scott
 
All our regs are DIN. This has lots of advantages, well covered above.

The biggest PITA is when traveling. Most resorts and dive boats do not stock DIN cylinders as a matter of course, so it's a - well - inconvenience to request DIN cylinders all the time, and usually they don't have them.

So you're forced to use the adapter which adds enough distance to smack your head once in a while.

(Yes, you can swap out yoke/DIN at home if you have the parts, tools and know-how, but most don't or prefer not to)

Is it enough to keep us from having DIN? No.

Also, if you buy your own cylinders, make sure you buy a stainless steel DIN plug for each cylinder; it will save you lots of swearing when someone drops something heavy on your valve, or you slam on the brakes and the tank slides into something in your vehicle.

All the best, James
 
Very well done answer. Scott T you can follow his advice.
 
Personally I prefer DIN for all the reasons mentioned earlier AND the fact that alot of times I get tired of seeing yoke connecters on frequently used rental tanks that have mangled up O-rings that can't hold a seal. It's a pain to dig those o-rings out and replace them while on the dive boat. I also like the fact that it streamlines the rig.

Only problem is alot of dive shops don't have DIN connections on their tanks and the sad thing in my experience, is some dive shops that I've visited don't even know what DIN is! lol One shop I went to didn't know what I was asking for and they had pro-valves installed on their Nitrox tanks!
 
Great information everyone. At least I haven't seen anything negative about either one. I'll probably go with the DIN and buy one of the adapters just in case. I'll be going to Cancun in July, but I'm guessing that most of the larger shops there would have both.

Scott
 
Do you own your own tanks or plan to own your own tanks?
If you own tanks, are you willing to spend about $60 per tank to replace the valves with DIN valves? Do you dive locally with your own tanks a lot more than you travel to warm water destinations?

If any of the answers to the above is no, then get a yoke regulator, DIN doesn't make sense.
If all of the above is yes, then you may like DIN better, although YMMV.

All my tanks and regulators are DIN, and I really like it that way, but if I were in a situation where I would mostly be using rental tanks, I would get yoke. Rental DIN tanks are very hard to come by.
You can also convert almost any modern regulator to DIN later for about $50~$60.
 
Well, I tend to agree with paulwlee. For recreational diving with rental tanks, especially in the Western Hemisphere, I'd have yoke regs. I suspect it's going to very hard to find rental tanks with DIN valves at most dive operations, like in Cancun.

We happen to use DIN fittings on all our family regs, but that's mostly because we dive and rent in parts of the world where it's almost excusively DIN. But we've got yoke fittings (not adapters) for all the regs, and when we return to the U.S., I'll probably put them back on.

The biggest thing I don't like about yoke is, like hydro12 says, the yoke tank valve has its o-ring exposed. And particularly with rental tanks, I too find bad o-rings a lot.

--Marek
 

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