Details surrounding death of USN divers +1 year ago finally released under FOIA

[flots am]

How do you know that Atomic will perform better under the same circumstances?

It's rated for cold water, however there are no guarantees, and a 150' dive with a single tank is just looking for trouble regardless of the regulator.

 

[fire_diver]

You can’t teach honor or obligation to another person to the point they are willing to risk their life to save yours. You can help them develop what is inside them, which the military does well. Individuals have to reach that conclusion on their own.

When you spend so much time with a core group of people they become family. Not "like a family", they ARE family. I spent more time with my guys in deployment than I do with my wife. 24/7 eat, sleep, work and play together. If you don't do everything in your power to save one of them, even if it means you could die in the process, you are a complete scumbag.

People who have never served simply can't grasp what it's like because they have never been there. I know it's cliched, but it's true too.

 

[AfterDark]

After 20 years in the Marine Corps I truly understand what, "uncommon valor was a common virtue," really means. Military personnel do things that simply stands opposed to what others would do. The same for policemen , firefighters, EMS, etc. I don't expect others to understand but I do expect others to give credit where it is due.

They start out by volunteering. That's something 90+% of us don't do. Exceptional people indeed. Thank you all.

 

[kr2y5]

If you don't do everything in your power to save one of them, even if it means you could die in the process, you are a complete scumbag.

If you are one of them, then "them" includes you as well... the inevitable consequence of what you just said is that, you have a duty to save yourself.

 

[fire_diver]

If you are one of them, then "them" includes you as well... the inevitable consequence of what you just said is that, you have a duty to save yourself.

You are completely clueless. Please go away.

 

[kr2y5]

Well, I find it morally questionable to teach young men that death can be honourable. Meaningful, yes, if you save another life, or tragic, when you feel that your life no longer has a meaning without the person you love, but to tell someone early in their life that they can die in the name of an abstract sense of honor, and solidarity, when their death can no longer save another person, to me sounds cynical. The folks in the middle east have been killing each other, in the name of honor, for many generations, and that brought about nothing but misery. You may be right that I am clueless, I can only hope that people close to you, your wife, children, and parents, fully understand and embrace your perspective. I also wish that you could learn to better tolerate dissenting opinions, especially if you carry a loaded gun... I always thought about the Navy men as calm and composed, not easily provoked or offended. Your reply sounds a little emotional.

 

[fire_diver]

Well, I find it morally questionable to teach young men that death can be honourable. Meaningful, yes, if you save another life, or tragic, when you feel that your life no longer has a meaning without the person you love, but to tell someone early in their life that they can die in the name of an abstract sense of honor, and solidarity, when their death can no longer save another person, to me sounds cynical. The folks in the middle east have been killing each other, in the name of honor, for many generations, and that brought about nothing but misery. You may be right that I am clueless, I can only hope that people close to you, your wife, children, and parents, fully understand and embrace your perspective. I also wish that you could learn to better tolerate dissenting opinions, especially if you carry a loaded gun... I always thought about the Navy men as calm and composed, not easily provoked or offended. Your reply sounds a little emotional.

OK civie, lets try this another way. You mention wife, children and parents. What if someone was beating YOUR parents, YOUR wife, YOUR children to death with a tire iron. If you step in you could likely be injured or killed along with your family. Do you run away like a ****ing coward or do you jump in the middle and fight with every ounce of strength to save your loved ones?

From the posts you already made, it would seem that you are advocating running away to save yourself.

 

[Akimbo]

... I always thought about the Navy men as calm and composed, not easily provoked or offended...

Let me guess, you have never been in a Navy dive bar? There is a reason they came up with the Shore Patrol.

 

[tomfcrist]

… I always thought about the Navy men as calm and composed, not easily provoked or offended...

Let me guess, you have never been in a Navy dive bar? There is a reason they came up with the Shore Patrol.

^^^this.

 

[Pavao]

OK civie, lets try this another way. You mention wife, children and parents. What if someone was beating YOUR parents, YOUR wife, YOUR children to death with a tire iron. If you step in you could likely be injured or killed along with your family. Do you run away like a ****ing coward or do you jump in the middle and fight with every ounce of strength to save your loved ones?

From the posts you already made, it would seem that you are advocating running away to save yourself.

...just playing the game you proposed:

If you're the one being beaten to death with a tire iron, how do you feel about your parents, wife, children stepping in to help, knowing they could likely be injured or killed along with yourself?