Deep Diving

[Starboard Tack]

Me thinks Starboard is the one as he puts it above that is "cocky, arrogant, and can be pretty abrasive"

I am not DIR but have been curious about the system of gear and school of thought. When I talk to "DIR people" they tell, me that if I can find any other "DIR people" in the area, to work on getting my basic skills solid and form good buddy skills and to find a diver that I think is good diver and have them mentor me even if they are not DIR, I have been told an old salt can teach a newbie a lot.

So here is my advice as a newbie moving toward tech deep diving. Get good OW training. Practice, practice, practice the skills. Dive, dive, dive, and dive some more within the limits of your training. Then get some more training and repeat the above practice and dive routine. Then get a little mor training and repeat the above.

Anybody can dive deep at anytime any day--what sets the trained divers apart is that they can return to the surface alive with no injury after they reach depth. Even with training and good plans, things can still go wrong.

Wow. I'm catching it from all sides today.

 

[verybaddiver]

Heh, Starboard, nothing you have said, other than dir is not for beginners has particually bothered me. I assumed the dir divers are arrogant etc etc was tongue in cheek.
All the GUE instructors/instructor candidates i've met have not appeared arrogant, are also members of other agencies and have nothing bad to say about them, or any other divers, they seem happy to live in their own niche.

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I hate the "last dive". It's the worst diving material i've ever come across, well nearly anyways. People doing very deep dives on air just because they can't afford to do the dives properly, didn't really appeal to me.

 

[UnderSeaBumbleBee]

Wow. I'm catching it from all sides today.

Well, I think it is unfair to say all dir people are arrogant, cocky and abbrasive. Just like it would be foolish to say all NAUI, PADI, SSI, SDI, TDI,YMCA, Rec divers or any other group are all one way. It would also be unfair to say all instructors are smarmy know it alls who slap a false stereo types on people in order to make themselves look as if they have more knowledge than they really do.

 

[Starboard Tack]

well, those of us that have been on boards awhile remember the days a few years ago where GUE/DIR devotees were very evangelistic and everyone else didn't deserve to breathe the same air as them - that is where the antagonism started - fortunately, the attitude has changed as more people have taken DIR-F, and GI 3 has stopped his rants on boards -

DIR is a philosophy of diving, started by the folks that started GUE - it has been embraced by the technical crowd of most, if not all, agencies - DIR is no longer an exclusive term of GUE

Thanks for explainig this to me Hobster. I was kind of surprised at the level of emotion this brought on.

TS&M, I wanted to thank you too for understanding what I'm trying to say.

 

[Starboard Tack]

Well, I think it is unfair to say all dir people are arrogant, cocky and abbrasive. Just like it would be foolish to say all NAUI, PADI, SSI, SDI, TDI,YMCA, Rec divers or any other group are all one way. It would also be unfair to say all instructors are smarmy know it alls who slap a false stereo types on people in order to make themselves look as if they have more knowledge than they really do.

I'm working on it, but I haven't figured out how express sarcasm and voice inflection over this type of media. My apologies.

 

[Nemrod]

Since none of this DIR stuff has anything to do with the OP.

GO TOYOTA, the Daytona 500 just started and the Camry is the only actual American made car in the field (realizing they are all tube chassis race machines).

N

 

[stangd1909]

Since none of this DIR stuff has anything to do with the OP.

GO TOYOTA, the Daytona 500 just started and the Camry is the only actual American made car in the field (realizing they are all tube chassis race machines).

N

Ahhhh.....GO Dale JR!!

 

[Tonio Anastasi]

Can somebody kindly explain what DIR, IMO and GUE are?:huh:
All I understood is that it has something to do with technical diving.
Also why does there seem to be rivlary between them? Or is that my imagination?
Out of curiosity. How far ahead has 'recriational' technical diving come along? And how safe is it? What is safer then Rebreathers or whatever the other option is called?
Thanks

 

[daniel f aleman]

DIR has nothing to do with anything relevant to this thread. Starboard Tack might have brought up any agency "philosophy" to use as his ruse for debate. This is about going deep. No one should go deeper than he is trained to do, and no one should ever suggest to another diver to try it - especially coming from an "instructor". Even students who wish to train for dives >130', or want to do the Andrea Doria, MUST never be pushed or encouraged. All incentive MUST come from the diver/student himself.

There is a debate resurfacing in the cave diver community whether it is ethical to advertize for new students and to even offer cave diver training for pay... think about it...

 

[Diver0001]

DIR means "Do it right", which is a kind of philosophy regarding a range of diving activities arranged into what is supposed to be a holisic system. It's also the source of a continuing debate about the relative merits of the system which sometimes get quite heated.

IMO = "in my opinion"

GUE = Global Underwater Explorers. It's a niche training agency that gained a lot of exposure and popularity, particularly on these internet discusson forums by pushing DIR. It's mostly geared toward technical cave divers. They don't have an OW course but they have a popular course called DIR-F (the F is for fundamentals) that is more mainstream for divers who think "diving is fun" is for sissies who don't take their diving seriously enough (he says while pulling on asbestos undies...). Their website is www.gue.com

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