Deep Air - Here we go again....

[LiteHedded]

yawn...
did you guys know they use air in commercial diving??

 

[Scott L]

It all boils down to personal prefrence. When costs become a factor then rather interesting internal evalautions/dive team debate comes into play. For most of us all such dives are being accomplished in the name of fun so when too much internal debate/stress mounts that's when dives gets thumbed....

 

[DCBC]

Originally Posted by DCBC View Post
1. While breathing air at a depth of 50', a diver's performance and reaction time is lowered. Even so, the majority of us dive air at this depth safely.

Because for most of us nothing goes wrong. Thousands of drunks make it home every night also b/c no one pulls in front of them.

So do you liken drunken driving to diving air at 50'?

5. At some point, a diver wanting to dive deeper changes his breathing mixture to Trimix or Heliox. Ideally, these gases are available at the dive site at a price affordable to the diver. In locations where they are not, deep air training may be beneficial.

Agreed but you are kidding your self if you do not think the danger level goes up. If you are willing to take the greater risk I have no issue with that just don't pretend and tell others it is just as safe.

Diving has its level of risk. What is acceptably safe is diving within your individual air envelope. This will vary dependent upon the individual and his/her training & experience.

7. Deep air seems to be the VooDoo gas that Helium was once identified as.

Again because it has killed many very good and experienced divers!

I would contend that death either was caused by another factor, or that the diver was inexperienced diving to that depth (outside their safe air envelope). In other words, if Diver A has problems with narcosis at 80' they are diving beyond their capabilities on air. This does not mean that Diver B couldn't dive to this depth safely. Each person has their own threshold which is mitigated by training and experience.

Considering the practical aspects, diving air doesn't kill anyone. It's diving air beyond a person's air/depth capability that's the problem.

 

[PfcAJ]

So. Dumb.

This entire thing is just a bunch of stupidity. We ALL know better now. Take a look at your own post http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/near-misses-lessons-learned/315141-deep-solo-wreck-dive.html Wow...

Dumb. This is supposed to be a fun activity, but you and people like you put others at risk with this machoism "I can handle it" BS. Then when someone dies on deep air, you blame it on something else. Its ALWAYS something else... when the only common theme is deep air. Ask a drunk if he's ok to drive home and see what he says. Of COURSE he's fine! He knows his limits. Right.

This type stupidity has to be stopped. I'm sick of reading about deaths and injuries because of this nonsense.

 

[jtivat]

So do you liken drunken driving to diving air at 50'?

Maybe a beer or two but the deeper you get is just like having more beer.



Diving has its level of risk. What is acceptably safe is diving within your individual air envelope. This will vary dependent upon the individual and his/her training & experience.

Your story

I would contend that death either was caused by another factor, or that the diver was inexperienced diving to that depth (outside their safe air envelope). In other words, if Diver A has problems with narcosis at 80' they are diving beyond their capabilities on air. This does not mean that Diver B couldn't dive to this depth safely. Each person has their own threshold which is mitigated by training and experience.

Well without even knowing you I can promise that better divers than you have died because of deep air.

Considering the practical aspects, diving air doesn't kill anyone. It's diving air beyond a person's air/depth capability that's the problem.

Again your story

I saying comes to mind "you can't fix stupid" but I guess you can't fix mocho either.

 

[ucfdiver]

A few >100ft END diving deaths as of 1997

Heywood Day, 140', 1962
Ron Hughes, 150', 1963
Paul Giancontere, 200', 1965
Brend Joost, 160', 1968
Stephen Alexander, 210', 1969
Pat McIntree, 150', 1969
Brett Naisbet, 150', 1969
Wayne Dillon, 210', 1969
Francis Wilson, 160', 1969
Paul Bartlett, 140', 1970
Robert Causey, 180', 1970
Bud Sims, 300', 1970
Fred Schmidt, 150', 1970
John Cruselle, 180', 1971
Frank Martz, 300', 1971
Robert Vaughn, 200', 1971
Doug Deurloo, 150', 1971
Ray Elman, 260', 1972
Alex Nesbitt, 200', 1972
Thomas Cranmer, 200', 1972
Paul Dietrich, 240', 1972
Dan Cole, 220', 1972
Rich Broman, 140', 1972
Stephen Millott, 250', 1973
Christine Millott, 250', 1973
John Bockerman, 250', 1973
Gordon Roberts, 250', 1973
William Smith, 200', 1973
Melvan Tillman, 150', 1973
James Waddington, 140', 1973
Robert Wyatt, 210', 1973
Deane Valentine, 190', 1973
George Van de Nord, 190', 1973
Paul Reinholm, 170', 1974
Unidentified, 200', 1974
Dana Turner, 290', 1974
Charles Barone, 180', 1975
Daniel Howard, 180', 1975
Steve Herman, 180', 1975
Mike Goddard, 170', 1976
Arthur Williamson, 140', 1976
Sven Sorenson, 140', 1976
William Wood, 180', 1978
Carl Miles, 180', 1978
Terry Collins, 260', 1981
James Bentz, 260', 1981
Bill McFadden, 200', 1988
William Cronin, 140', 1988
Kenny Potts, 200', 1990
Lloyd Morrison, 250', 1990
Billy Liiard, 180', 1991
Ormsby, John 230' 1985
Feldman, Steve 235' 1991
Soellner, Ed 145' 1992
Rouse, Jr, Chris 235' 1992
Rouse, Sr Chris 235' 1992
Santulli, Robert 220 1992
Sheck Exley 400 aed
Nick Commoglio 450
Rob Palmer ?
Rob Parker 250
Ed Suarez 280
Carl Sutton 280
Legare Hole 240
Andy Bader 220
Aron Arvidson 311*******correction
Dennis Sirvet 110 meters
DOUGLAS MISSAVAGE 191 ******correction

 

[LiteHedded]

i can think of a few to add to that list.
funny. a lot of those people are (were) very experienced.

 

[ucfdiver]

i can think of a few to add to that list.
funny. a lot of those people are (were) very experienced.

The list was justifiably long back then because we didn't know better. It's growing at an unnecessary rate now, we all know better.

 

[DCBC]

This is supposed to be a fun activity, but you and people like you put others at risk with this machoism "I can handle it" BS.

Don't suppose to say you know me. You don't. If you did, you wouldn't be so fast to shoot off your mouth.

Then when someone dies on deep air, you blame it on something else. Its ALWAYS something else... when the only common theme is deep air. Ask a drunk if he's ok to drive home and see what he says. Of COURSE he's fine! He knows his limits. Right.

Since you've used the drinking analogy, it would seem that if you hear about a person who dies of alcohol poisoning, you think drinking should be outlawed because we now all know better. That just doesn't make sense. You teach people to drink responsibly not abstain.

Blame it on something else???? What are you talking about? Practically speaking, no one dies from breathing air. They breathe air past their safe PPN2 envelope, lose control and drown. Air is not the problem, nor is alcohol. It's the improper application of it.

This type stupidity has to be stopped. I'm sick of reading about deaths and injuries because of this nonsense.

Yes, I'm sick of reading about deaths in cave diving, this stupidity has to stop.
I'm sick of reading about deaths in ice diving, this stupidity has to stop.
I'm sick of reading about deaths in decompression diving, this stupidity has to stop.
I could go on, but it's not the activity; it's a dangerous environment and people make mistakes. Training and proper preparation mitigate diving accidents.

 

[JeffG]

Don't suppose to say you know me. You don't. If you did, you wouldn't be so fast to shoot off your mouth.

or what? You will beat him up?


all we have are your words and thats what they tell us.