D.I.D hose routing?
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Dr. Lecter
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If you call the inflator/long hose proximity on the left shoulder "close" then you have some really thick fingers and/or really poor spatial conception abilities. When you're horizontal in the water, the inflator should be dangling down somewhat, while the long hose remains snug against your chest/neck... making it easy to grab the former rather than the latter. If the long hose is way over onto your left shoulder, snug it up tighter around your neck.
The necklace should be short enough that the 2d stage stays on or very close to your chest/neck when you're horizontal... if you can't grab the mouthpiece with your lips/front teeth and get the reg in your face without using your hands, I'd reconfigure. In any event, the backup reg is in the center of your body, maybe a bit off to the right due to hose pull.
The inflator is all the way over on the left shoulder attached to the harness. How it's getting missed in favor of a centered 2d stage or a cross chest/round the neck long hose is incomprehensible.
The necklace should be short enough that the 2d stage stays on or very close to your chest/neck when you're horizontal... if you can't grab the mouthpiece with your lips/front teeth and get the reg in your face without using your hands, I'd reconfigure. In any event, the backup reg is in the center of your body, maybe a bit off to the right due to hose pull.
The inflator is all the way over on the left shoulder attached to the harness. How it's getting missed in favor of a centered 2d stage or a cross chest/round the neck long hose is incomprehensible.
JamesK
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What tech class did you come out of having all the issues you were speaking of? 10 years diving that way and I never had any of the issues you speak of.
To me it actually does sound like a training issue if someone told you to set up your gear that way. Other possibilities include, but are not limited to: your instructor failed you miserably (in that case, what class was this and who was the instructor), you were not trained in the proper way of doing it and read about it on the internet and tried to set it up yourself, you were trained properly but failed to continue in the path you were trained, you really have not tried any of the gear setup and are making uneducated assumptions about the gear, or you are trolling and stirring the pot.
To me it actually does sound like a training issue if someone told you to set up your gear that way. Other possibilities include, but are not limited to: your instructor failed you miserably (in that case, what class was this and who was the instructor), you were not trained in the proper way of doing it and read about it on the internet and tried to set it up yourself, you were trained properly but failed to continue in the path you were trained, you really have not tried any of the gear setup and are making uneducated assumptions about the gear, or you are trolling and stirring the pot.
Were you trained in this configuration or is it something you adopted on your own? Having someone look at you in the water may help, otherwise having some photos of you diving would be helpful in troubleshooting your problem.
There really shouldn't be a problem as you're not grabbing "hoses" regardless.
If you need to move regs, move the reg (with the possible exception of donating, but even then, grabbing the hose where it meets the body of the second stage is nearly impossible to mistake for something else). On the left side the only thing you're reaching for would be the LPI which is decidedly a different shape and size than the hoses supplying your second stages.
There really shouldn't be a problem as you're not grabbing "hoses" regardless.
If you need to move regs, move the reg (with the possible exception of donating, but even then, grabbing the hose where it meets the body of the second stage is nearly impossible to mistake for something else). On the left side the only thing you're reaching for would be the LPI which is decidedly a different shape and size than the hoses supplying your second stages.
Dr. Lecter
Contributor
I think you're doing a disservice to internet self-study by comparing it to the OP's issues. Following something like this would yeild better results than what Swampy is describing: FKD - Single Reg Configuration FKD - Doubles Regulator Config
USFpsychDiver
Contributor
Very nice illustrative pictures; the different hose colors really show the routing well. I'm not sure diving with an orange baseball cap is DIR though.
I think the OP should shorten both the bungee and the secondary hose. This is a spot where the flexible braided hoses shine.
dbulmer
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Folks,
This is my last post on SB.
I'll be on the board but it's my last contributory post.
To the cavers here - remember this?
http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/florida-diving/439387-question-about-devils-eye-ear-entrances.html
I could not sit back and let this muppet drone on - sorry
This is my last post on SB.
I'll be on the board but it's my last contributory post.
To the cavers here - remember this?
http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/florida-diving/439387-question-about-devils-eye-ear-entrances.html
I could not sit back and let this muppet drone on - sorry
kotik
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dbulmer,
It's your choice on whether you contribute to the board, but maybe someday you might re-consider... if you have insight to offer, then doing some paying it forward is not such a terrible thing, IMHO. I know I've gotten a lot of useful information from the board, along with a certain share of useless crap, of course.
I remember very well Swampy's early posts. They didn't inspire me with much admiration, for sure. But-- maybe there's a glimmer of turning over a new leaf. I don't know that he's done anything that he deserves to be ostracized forever, and if he wants to get on the right path now then I'd say that should be encouraged. He has indicated he's signed on for cavern training. My hope is that it's with a real instructor for the purpose of real instruction, instead of some dirt-cheap amateur who only knows how to sign a card.
Swampy,
I second what Lewisevans says above. The Hogarthian configuration is proven, it has stood the test of a lot of time. If you follow the recommendations, it works-- it just takes diving practice and developing the muscle memory, after a while finding everything becomes second nature.
It's your choice on whether you contribute to the board, but maybe someday you might re-consider... if you have insight to offer, then doing some paying it forward is not such a terrible thing, IMHO. I know I've gotten a lot of useful information from the board, along with a certain share of useless crap, of course.
I remember very well Swampy's early posts. They didn't inspire me with much admiration, for sure. But-- maybe there's a glimmer of turning over a new leaf. I don't know that he's done anything that he deserves to be ostracized forever, and if he wants to get on the right path now then I'd say that should be encouraged. He has indicated he's signed on for cavern training. My hope is that it's with a real instructor for the purpose of real instruction, instead of some dirt-cheap amateur who only knows how to sign a card.
Swampy,
I second what Lewisevans says above. The Hogarthian configuration is proven, it has stood the test of a lot of time. If you follow the recommendations, it works-- it just takes diving practice and developing the muscle memory, after a while finding everything becomes second nature.
DevonDiver
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From the pic posted, it does seem like the OP is referring to a proper hogarthian set-up, not some bastardized or uninformed attempt at it (of which there are a few splashing around).
That leaves the fault analysis with two options:
1) Incorrect application of a proper configuration: As others have mentioned, the right idea put together sloppily. Maybe less than optimal hose lengths, over-large bungee necklace and failure to properly stow hoses, including the LPI.
2) Lack of user experience/training with configuration: Fumbling with kit, grabbing at hoses etc tends to illustrate insufficient time in the rig to gain fluidity of operation - furthermore, it tends to indicate a general level of inexperience leading to high task-loading (overload) and a less than subtle manipulation of equipment.
I think that the OP's comments indicate that both of these factors are likely culprits, leading to the difficulties he is encountering.
Seeking proper training is the most straight-forward and time-efficient solution.
Learning from the internet is applicable, and works in many instances, but can have a tendency to cause less than optimal outcomes whenever the diver encounters an issue. That is where the application of timely first-person, expert and direct external feedback is invaluable.
That leaves the fault analysis with two options:
1) Incorrect application of a proper configuration: As others have mentioned, the right idea put together sloppily. Maybe less than optimal hose lengths, over-large bungee necklace and failure to properly stow hoses, including the LPI.
2) Lack of user experience/training with configuration: Fumbling with kit, grabbing at hoses etc tends to illustrate insufficient time in the rig to gain fluidity of operation - furthermore, it tends to indicate a general level of inexperience leading to high task-loading (overload) and a less than subtle manipulation of equipment.
I think that the OP's comments indicate that both of these factors are likely culprits, leading to the difficulties he is encountering.
Seeking proper training is the most straight-forward and time-efficient solution.
Learning from the internet is applicable, and works in many instances, but can have a tendency to cause less than optimal outcomes whenever the diver encounters an issue. That is where the application of timely first-person, expert and direct external feedback is invaluable.
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