Creation vs. Evolution

[ClevelandDiver]

Back to the point, the world is 6000 years old and God made giant sharks with radioactive teeth the size of pizza slices.


http://www.scubaboard.com/showthread.php?t=157486&page=2

 

[MikeFerrara]

To first order because they don't reject ijtihad.



Syria, Jordan and Saudi Arabia are examples of corrupt secular regimes and reflect the old movement towards secular arab nationalism (Hussein's Baath party was also one of these). The others are non-secular Islamist governments and organizations. Largely the power struggle in the Middle East are between these two forces (and between Sunni and Shia), while the liberal forces are caught in between. If you look at Saudi Arabia you see probably the most stark example of this where the secular regime encourages the Wahhabi schools, and both of them make common enemy with the liberals.

So it's the corrupt secular governments that we sort of get along with and the nonsecular groups who are our problem? the Muslims?

Generally they view it as incomplete, or in some places consider it in historical context. This is probably actually where you are wrt Christianity, since I doubt you view the Bible as being a complete set of all the Laws that man should have, and I doubt you take all of the Bible entirely literally (do you stone people for wearing two different cloths?).

I do take the Bible literally...just not a single page all by itself. If you read the whole book you see where Mosaic law fits into Gods covenants with man and that we don't need to stone people because of what they wear. We can also eat pork and it's possible to be saved without being circumsized.

I don't know it that well. I do know that there are roughly two different branches in practice which allow interpreation and which don't. I'm hoping the one that allows interpreation wins or we're pretty screwed, because the other guys aren't generally very nice.

So, your thoughts are the ones who stick closest to the Koran are the dangerous ones? If I relate that to the Bibles significance in Christianity, I get the impression that those are the ones who are more ..."Muslim"?

I'm not sure what you started out to do but you're making Islam not sound so nice.

 

[gangrel441]

I guess you're right, the quote you responded to was that radical islam was a tiny minority, and that's actually fairly wrong -- as can be seen by the democratic election of Hamas, the support for killing the Muslim in Afghanistan who converted to Christianity, etc. Its the liberal tradition in Islam which is in the minority right now.

Anyone know what the most populous muslim nation in the world is? Anyone?




Yep...Indonesia. You know all them whacky fundamentalist muslims over there in Indon....oh, wait....no, that's not right...the fringe groups in Indonesia are where they should be...on the fringe. India isn't far behind, 175 million last I checked.

Anyone ever hear of the government of Morocco doing anything wacky in the name of Islam? 98% Muslim there.

There are many, many more muslims in the world than the ones in the middle east, and the vast majority of those muslims do not embrace the radical ideas that groups like Hamas and Al Quaida espouse. The brush being strokes being painted with here are far too broad.

 

[Hank49]

Very true. I've known and worked with quite a few Muslims and they weren't any worse than......well...most of the DIR guys.

 

[novicediver]

yeah back to the original thread....if the world is only 6,000 years old, and man walked the planet with the dinosaurs, then why are dinosaurs extinct and not man? A human looks like a pretty good morsel to a T-Rex.

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

Anyone know what the most populous muslim nation in the world is? Anyone?

Yep...Indonesia. You know all them whacky fundamentalist muslims over there in Indon....oh, wait....no, that's not right...the fringe groups in Indonesia are where they should be...on the fringe. India isn't far behind, 175 million last I checked.

Anyone ever hear of the government of Morocco doing anything wacky in the name of Islam? 98% Muslim there.

There are many, many more muslims in the world than the ones in the middle east, and the vast majority of those muslims do not embrace the radical ideas that groups like Hamas and Al Quaida espouse. The brush being strokes being painted with here are far too broad.

I was in Indonesia the day the USA started dropping bombs in Afghanistan. The U.S. Embassy issued a recommendation that U.S. citizens should leave the country ... another couple in our group did. We decided to stay.

A few days later the news started reporting anthrax letters showing up in U.S. mailboxes. Those wacky Muslims we were staying with were worried about us, they wanted us to stay in Indonesia ... where we'd be safe ... until the chaos in America died down. Go figure ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[Tassie_Rohan]

Gotta agree with Bob and Gangrel- I've worked in Iran and spent a lot of time in Indonesia I've felt safer and more welcome in both countries than in many western ones.

In both places the people make a clear distinction between a persons nationality, a nations foreign policy, and personal religious beliefs. Everyone is more or less the same around the world – all with the same worries, loves and desires, with a few political crackpots using assorted religions as a guise for their illegal terrorist activity (think IRA).

I’d go back to Iran in a second. Its nothing like how the western media portrays it and other middle eastern countries.

Want to discuss Islamic beliefs and middle eastern politics and be creditable – then go live there for a while rather than rely on simplistic and biased western reporting.

Cheers,
Rohan.

 

[mislav]

As I already stated, I am not an expert on Islam but, as far as I know, Mohammed, was a general first and primarily engaged in the conquest of other lands by uniting the Arab tribes against his enemies. Is this incorrect?

You make it sound as if he was some trigger happy mercenary. He was a peaceful merchant first, throughout most of his life, and a general only in terms of defending himself from outside attackers much later in his life. Since you asked - Wikipedia has a fairly good article on the life of Mohammed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad

Sure it is. God decides who goes to Hell but we decide who we kill. God's wisdom and justice is perfect while ours is flawed. We can kill the wrong person but God will not send the wrong person to Hell.

Ah, yes... The old famous "Kill them all. God will know his own." logic... My favorite!

I'm no expert on Islam, though, either. If we had one here I'd like to hear what is the Muslim view of the Theory of Evolution. I wouldn't be surprised to see die hard Christians and die hard Muslims united in attacking it.

 

[H2Andy]

i just find it interesting how easy it is to "dehumanize" other cultures, when the majority of the members of each such culture are just like us

someone called 3,000 dead Americans a slaughter, rightly so

but 40,000 dead civilian Iraqis, what do we call that? assuming 75% of those are actually terrorists (a ridiculously high figure), that still leaves 10,000 dead Iraqis who were innocent

if 3,000 dead is a slaughter, what do we call 10,000 dead?

collateral damage, i guess

 

[Tassie_Rohan]

Sssssshhhhhhhh!!!!!!!

No posts in 2 days.....

I think this thread has finally died at 900.

RIP.