Creation vs. Evolution

[sheck33]

This thread should have made it more than obvious that you can't reason with religion.

 

[nereas]

This thread should have made it more than obvious that you can't reason with religion.

You cannot reason with either, whether science or religion, you simply cannot.

 

[Thalassamania]

You cannot reason with either, whether science or religion, you simply cannot.

All I can assume is that English isnot your first language. You can't reason with science?

 

[nereas]

Maybe you never heard of Pat Tillman? Pro football player. Joined the service after 911? Killed by friendly fire in afghanistan? Athiest? He is high profile, but I hope you realize how insulting it is to repeat that untruth to the proud and brave faithless service members who have died for our country.



There are islands in the pacific where people leave meager lives and have no religion whatsoever. Not every tribe in the world made up a religion to believe in. There is probably a higher correlation between atheism and wealth since poorer people use religion as a source of hope for a better life. Poor people also buy lottery tickets in larger numbers than wealthier people. The point however is, you are simply wrong.

I would need to first question the sanity of anyone who would leave a multi million dollar sports entertainment job to take one of the lowliest jobs on the planet, and very dangerous. That should answer then your question about what I have heard.

Thus your question then opens the door to the issue of insanity and atheism. And that is a good question.

 

[nereas]

All you need to disprove a sweeping statement like that is a single clear example. How could you post such tripe with a battle hardened hero of the American Revolution, Ethan Allen staring you in the face? Evidently you have not understood, either the Declaration of Independence or the thread.

Thal, they all signed what they signed, and you can simply read it, if you can read English.

 

[nereas]

... You can't reason with science?

The science camp has become equally militant, just like the religion camp.

Read "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" if you want a better understanding of the role of science.

I find both camps, science and religion, to be equally an embarrassment.

 

[sheck33]

You cannot reason with either, whether science or religion, you simply cannot.

That statement truly shows your complete and utter ignorance on the matter.

 

[Thalassamania]

Thal, they all signed what they signed, and you can simply read it, if you can read English.

This is English too. Can you read it? I can. But it is 14th Century English and has changed a bit to the present day.

Whan that Aprill, with his shoures soote
The droghte of March hath perced to the roote
And bathed every veyne in swich licour,
Of which vertu engendred is the flour;
Whan Zephirus eek with his sweete breeth
Inspired hath in every holt and heeth
The tendre croppes, and the yonge sonne
Hath in the Ram his halfe cours yronne,
And smale foweles maken melodye,
That slepen al the nyght with open eye-
(So priketh hem Nature in hir corages);
Thanne longen folk to goon on pilgrimages
And palmeres for to seken straunge strondes
To ferne halwes, kowthe in sondry londes;
And specially from every shires ende
Of Engelond, to Caunterbury they wende,
The hooly blisful martir for to seke
That hem hath holpen, whan that they were seeke.
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Not just the structure of the words themselves, but also the meaning of words. Note the word like "corages" (11 lines down, bolded). The unschooled would read that as "courage" making the sentence out to be: "So pierces them Nature in her courage"

Stephen Knight (as well know Chaucer scholar) writes (Chaucer: The Canterbury Tales; Literature in Context; Rylance, R. and Simons, J. eds.; Palgrave-Macmillan, 2001)

The small birds are the first animals to wake in spring -- as in any morning -- but they too have cultural reference. They are 'smale', which means 'slender' not just small: the word is English, but has French connotations: ladies in romance are 'smale' in body, arms and fingers. Nature excites the birds' romantic love when it 'priketh' their hearts in blunt English, and this implies physicality -- the sexual pun on 'prick' operates in Middle as well as Modern English. But elaboration still exists because it is their 'corages' that are excited, not their 'hearts'. The French word points towards the domain of courtly love, an aristocratic elaboration that Chaucer himself has disseminated in English with his translation of part of The Romance of the Rose and his earlier dream poems about love like The Book of the Duchess. (p. 12).
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Start to get the idea? Unfortunately you can not "simply read it." It was only slightly longer from Chaucer to Jefferson than it was from Jefferson to us. You need an intimate knowledge of the language, forms, customs, and traditions of the time to actually understand, with real clarity, what was being said.

Do you want a shorter time frame example? The word "gay" has radically changed in ten to twenty years. A "gay old time" just ain't what it used to be.

 

[shoredivr]

I would need to first question the sanity of anyone who would leave a multi million dollar sports entertainment job to take one of the lowliest jobs on the planet, and very dangerous.

Really. Beyond. Comprehension.

 

[adurso]

I would need to first question the sanity of anyone who would leave a multi million dollar sports entertainment job to take one of the lowliest jobs on the planet, and very dangerous. That should answer then your question about what I have heard.

Thus your question then opens the door to the issue of insanity and atheism. And that is a good question.

So serving in the military is one of the lowliest jobs on the planet? Words fail me.