Creation vs. Evolution

[Sordello]

Ah - Your belief system is based on truth... I believe "truth is a matter of perspective". Never the two shall meet!

 

[coachpill]

Ah - Your belief system is based on truth... I believe "truth is a matter of perspective". Never the two shall meet!

Truth cares not whether you believe in it or not. It simply is.

 

[shoredivr]

Some time before 500 B.C. the prophet Daniel proclaimed that Israel's long-awaited Messiah would begin his public ministry 483 years after the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem (Daniel 9:25-26).

Jewish people would definitely dispute this one as a fact, since moshiach (either person or representation) hasn't yet made an appearance.

Jewish messianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Messiah (Hebrew: משיח; mashiah, moshiah'mashiach, or moshiach, ("anointed [one]") is a term used in the Hebrew Bible to describe priests and kings, who were traditionally anointed. For example, Cyrus the Great, the king of Persia, is referred to as "God's anointed" (Messiah) in the Bible.

In Jewish messianic tradition and eschatology, the term came to refer to a future Jewish King from the Davidic line, who will be "anointed" with holy anointing oil and rule the Jewish people during the Messianic Age.[...]

Today, the various Jewish denominations have sharp disagreements about the nature of the Messiah and the Messianic Age, with some groups holding that the Messiah will be a person and other groups holding that the Messiah is a representation of the Messianic Age itself.

Traditional thought and current Orthodox thought has mainly held that the Messiah will be an anointed one (messiah), descended from his father through the Davidic line of King David, who will gather the Jews back into the Land of Israel and usher in an era of peace.

Other denominations, such as Reform Judaism, perceive a Messianic Age when the world will be at peace, but do not agree that there will be a Messiah as the leader of this era."

 

[MikeFerrara]

What is the 'left'? How do you define the left? I don't personally identify with the 'left', or the 'right'.

That's a good question. It depends on whether we're talking politics or religion though it seems that one who is on the left in one is likely to be on the left in the other.

They both have their good features and bad features.

I'm definately on the "right" in both plitics and religion.
I find left wing Christianity and scriptural criticism to be completely invalid by nature and equally as useless.

I would mark the extreme left of politics as pure socialism and the extreme right as pure capitalism and I sit very far to the right.

As time goes on, I seem to move further and further right. Maybe I just pay attention more these days but I think that as time goes on , the devision between the two (or at least the relevance of the devision) becomes more pronounced.

I really don't think that compromise is ever going to be a solution. Seperation seems more realistic though, some socialists claim that there can never be true socialism unless everybody is on board...no borders, no devisions ect, so I don't expect them to allow that. I think we can compromise to the extent that we can share the same planet without killing eachother but that's about the best than we can do.

I'd rephrase this like this personally:

"I think that's why critics of evolution aren't very effective. There are some difficult things in evolutionary theory but they never seem to get that far. They don't understand enough to even ask the tough questions. It's like giving a calculus text to a 3rd grader and asking them to criticize it. They could come up with a lot but it would all be foolish and do nothing but demonstrate their own lack of understanding. There are some unanswered questions in mathematics but the 3rd grader isn't going to find them."

Works well for me!

Actually that kind of works for me too. The only really effective way to debate science is to use better science and trump the other guys evidence. The non-scientists or ill-prepared scientists just get outclassed.

The one thing I regret and it goes for politics, religion and science is the effect of a biased media.

They aren't sins or God's doing. They are people doing terrible things (I don't define this as a 'sin' though, as this has religious overtones). If God is the creator of humankind, why did he create them with such a capacity for evil?

He granted them the choice.

If that is what your God is, then it isn't a God I could support. As Mark Twain (pretty sure it was him anyway ) put it "If there is a God, he is a malign thug".

Mark Twain is about my favorite author but that's not where I would go for spiritual guidance.

Ditto. All I am asking is that Christians and atheists stay out of each other's lives.

Is that what you're asking for? It absolutely NOT what is being asked for in this country.

They want to have it their own way but they require that I be made an unwilling party to it by helping to pay for it and they want to teach it to our children in the schools. If they were really willing to stay out of my life, it's unlikely that I'd be more than passively aware of what they were doing and VERY unlikely that I would care.

As far as I'm concerned, I stay out of what Christians do in the bedroom, or with their bodies, and what they believe in. You've been posting about how people should stop rebelling against God, stop sleeping with who they want, stop having control over their own bodies,

That's not at all what I have been posting. I have been posting explanations concerning my beliefes in direct rebuttal to misstatements (even lies) about those beliefes. I'm Just giving the other side of the story.

asking that certain people be disallowed from adopting solely because of their sexual preference, etc etc, basically assuming that we should have the same belief system as you.

I haven't asked any such thing. The only consideration I think is valid in those decisions is the welfare of the children.

I have not been asking you to stop believing in God, just that you stop interfering in the lives of people who do not believe in God. But yea, you seem like you will never get the difference

And the thing that you refuse to understand is that they are interfering with/effecting my life. They haven't left me any more room to back up. I have to speak up and push back just to get enough elbow room and breathing space to live.

 

[MikeFerrara]

Ah, you have to prove that the number 1 exist or what exactly is - Mathematicians still haven't done that. It is all still a concept - a belief system! This one guy wrote something like 27 volumes of books on proving 1 exists - still an argument.

How many guys? One did you say? Next problem.

 

[Sordello]

Truth cares not whether you believe in it or not. It simply is.

I believe that defines laws - You know. Like the Universal Law of Thermodynamics for example. Sorry, an engineering concept - A slightly higher standard of proofs.

 

[Soggy]

Ah, you have to prove that the number 1 exist or what exactly is - Mathematicians still haven't done that. It is all still a concept - a belief system! This one guy wrote something like 27 volumes of books on proving 1 exists - still an argument.

That guy needs to get a life.

 

[Age]

Life (and death) is too complicated for ordinary mortals to fully comprehend. Can't imagine why anyone here feels they have the answers to anything. Let's get back to the road/karma/God's will that made us divers and just enjoy the ride.

 

[Sordello]

That guy needs to get a life.

Thats what I said!

 

[coachpill]

I believe that defines laws - You know. Like the Universal Law of Thermodynamics for example. Sorry, an engineering concept - A slightly higher standard of proofs.

Works for me.

I like the scientific laws. There are actually 3 laws of thermodyamics, and I'm pretty sure none of them has ever been violated.

Gravitation would be another law.
The law of constant mass would be another.

Mostly physics, yes. The only law I know of in the biological sciences is the Law of Biogenesis. I figured I'd throw that one out there since we were talking about evolution and of course others started talking about the possibility of abiogenesis...