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Creation vs. Evolution

Discussion in 'Non-Diving Related Stuff' started by Lost_At_Sea, Aug 15, 2006.

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  1. Sordello

    Sordello Loggerhead Turtle

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    Ah - Your belief system is based on truth... I believe "truth is a matter of perspective". Never the two shall meet!
     
  2. coachpill

    coachpill Barracuda

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    Truth cares not whether you believe in it or not. It simply is.
     
  3. shoredivr

    shoredivr Solo Diver

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    Jewish people would definitely dispute this one as a fact, since moshiach (either person or representation) hasn't yet made an appearance.

    Jewish messianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    "Messiah (Hebrew: משיח; mashiah, moshiah'mashiach, or moshiach, ("anointed [one]") is a term used in the Hebrew Bible to describe priests and kings, who were traditionally anointed. For example, Cyrus the Great, the king of Persia, is referred to as "God's anointed" (Messiah) in the Bible.

    In Jewish messianic tradition and eschatology, the term came to refer to a future Jewish King from the Davidic line, who will be "anointed" with holy anointing oil and rule the Jewish people during the Messianic Age.[...]

    Today, the various Jewish denominations have sharp disagreements about the nature of the Messiah and the Messianic Age, with some groups holding that the Messiah will be a person and other groups holding that the Messiah is a representation of the Messianic Age itself.

    Traditional thought and current Orthodox thought has mainly held that the Messiah will be an anointed one (messiah), descended from his father through the Davidic line of King David, who will gather the Jews back into the Land of Israel and usher in an era of peace.

    Other denominations, such as Reform Judaism, perceive a Messianic Age when the world will be at peace, but do not agree that there will be a Messiah as the leader of this era."
     
  4. MikeFerrara

    MikeFerrara Instructor, Scuba

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    That's a good question. It depends on whether we're talking politics or religion though it seems that one who is on the left in one is likely to be on the left in the other.

    I'm definately on the "right" in both plitics and religion.
    I find left wing Christianity and scriptural criticism to be completely invalid by nature and equally as useless.

    I would mark the extreme left of politics as pure socialism and the extreme right as pure capitalism and I sit very far to the right.

    As time goes on, I seem to move further and further right. Maybe I just pay attention more these days but I think that as time goes on , the devision between the two (or at least the relevance of the devision) becomes more pronounced.

    I really don't think that compromise is ever going to be a solution. Seperation seems more realistic though, some socialists claim that there can never be true socialism unless everybody is on board...no borders, no devisions ect, so I don't expect them to allow that. I think we can compromise to the extent that we can share the same planet without killing eachother but that's about the best than we can do.
    Actually that kind of works for me too. The only really effective way to debate science is to use better science and trump the other guys evidence. The non-scientists or ill-prepared scientists just get outclassed.

    The one thing I regret and it goes for politics, religion and science is the effect of a biased media.
    He granted them the choice.
    Mark Twain is about my favorite author but that's not where I would go for spiritual guidance.
    Is that what you're asking for? It absolutely NOT what is being asked for in this country.

    They want to have it their own way but they require that I be made an unwilling party to it by helping to pay for it and they want to teach it to our children in the schools. If they were really willing to stay out of my life, it's unlikely that I'd be more than passively aware of what they were doing and VERY unlikely that I would care.
    That's not at all what I have been posting. I have been posting explanations concerning my beliefes in direct rebuttal to misstatements (even lies) about those beliefes. I'm Just giving the other side of the story.
    I haven't asked any such thing. The only consideration I think is valid in those decisions is the welfare of the children.
    And the thing that you refuse to understand is that they are interfering with/effecting my life. They haven't left me any more room to back up. I have to speak up and push back just to get enough elbow room and breathing space to live.
     
  5. MikeFerrara

    MikeFerrara Instructor, Scuba

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    How many guys? One did you say? Next problem.
     
  6. Sordello

    Sordello Loggerhead Turtle

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    I believe that defines laws - You know. Like the Universal Law of Thermodynamics for example. Sorry, an engineering concept - A slightly higher standard of proofs.
     
  7. Soggy

    Soggy Dive Shop

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    That guy needs to get a life.
     
  8. Age

    Age Divemaster Candidate

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    Life (and death) is too complicated for ordinary mortals to fully comprehend. Can't imagine why anyone here feels they have the answers to anything. Let's get back to the road/karma/God's will that made us divers and just enjoy the ride.
     
  9. Sordello

    Sordello Loggerhead Turtle

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    Thats what I said! :D
     
  10. coachpill

    coachpill Barracuda

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    Works for me.

    I like the scientific laws. There are actually 3 laws of thermodyamics, and I'm pretty sure none of them has ever been violated.

    Gravitation would be another law.
    The law of constant mass would be another.

    Mostly physics, yes. The only law I know of in the biological sciences is the Law of Biogenesis. I figured I'd throw that one out there since we were talking about evolution and of course others started talking about the possibility of abiogenesis...
     
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