Creation vs. Evolution

[coachpill]

How does that work? One would have to be a member of a scientific organization and publish in one of their journals?

What defines a "reputable" organization or journal?

One that is "peer reviewed" by mainstream science...secular science.

 

[gary-ramey]

I wasn't splitting hairs to give anyone a hard time. The difference is important. Our physical laws are based on observations of what happens in nature, as new facts are discovered the laws are refined. How is god's law not man made? People wrote the bible, people interpret the bible. But this diverges from the original subject. Whether the spiritual laws you are referring to are man made or not is something one has to take on faith as there is no way to prove either way. But when we are talking about the physical world one can prove things beyond a reasonable doubt. e.g. the earth not being 6000 years old or there being no evidence of any kind for a great flood.

No. You fully understood the post and chose to diverge its original meaning. The corollary I made is still valid. There are laws, forces, observance etc that we are subject to whether we like it or not. These forces are both natural and spiritual.

The difference is important. Our physical laws are based on observations of what happens in nature, as new facts are discovered the laws are refined. How is god's law not man made?

The Bible has over 2000 literal prophecies that have been fulfilled. It's common theme of over 60 books by over 30 authors written over 3000 years testifies to its divine inspiration.

 

[Soggy]

The Bible has over 2000 literal prophecies that have been fulfilled. It's common theme of over 60 books by over 30 authors written over 3000 years testifies to its divine inspiration.

LOL. Ok, I'll bite. Point a bunch of them out.

 

[coachpill]

The bible as the ultimate source of 'dependable' information. Sure. The bible says so, so therefore it must be true.

Just trying to tell you where I get the information from. Thanks!

 

[MikeFerrara]

I wasn't splitting hairs to give anyone a hard time. The difference is important. Our physical laws are based on observations of what happens in nature, as new facts are discovered the laws are refined.

Got it.

Whether the spiritual laws you are referring to are man made or not is something one has to take on faith as there is no way to prove either way.

God proves it to people every day. I guess he just hasn't gotten to you yet.

 

[gary-ramey]

Impossible? Really? Can you provide a citation for that or are you the authority on what is possible and what is not?

How about never witnessed or measured...ie you need faith to believe it happened.

 

[Soggy]

God proves it to people every day. I guess he just hasn't gotten to you yet.

Or me. 30 years and I haven't seen a single thing that made me think there was a big guy up there.

 

[MikeFerrara]

One that is "peer reviewed" by mainstream science...secular science.

Kind of like a dive certification agency? LOL you can be one if you want and if folks if folks fall for it, you're golden?

 

[Soggy]

How about never witnessed or measured...ie you need faith to believe it happened.

I don't know what happened. I have no problem with "I don't know." My hunch is that that there is a good scientific explanation for it, given that no supernatural explanations have ever been needed for anything ever before, but I don't know. I'll wait for the research. I guess I have "faith" that there is a rational explanation and that all the pieces will come together.

 

[gary-ramey]

Some time before 500 B.C. the prophet Daniel proclaimed that Israel's long-awaited Messiah would begin his public ministry 483 years after the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem (Daniel 9:25-26). He further predicted that the Messiah would be "cut off," killed, and that this event would take place prior to a second destruction of Jerusalem. Abundant documentation shows that these prophecies were perfectly fulfilled in the life (and crucifixion) of Jesus Christ. The decree regarding the restoration of Jerusalem was issued by Persia's King Artaxerxes to the Hebrew priest Ezra in 458 B.C., 483 years later the ministry of Jesus Christ began in Galilee. (Remember that due to calendar changes, the date for the start of Christ's ministry is set by most historians at about 26 A.D. Also note that from 1 B.C. to 1 A.D. is just one year.) Jesus' crucifixion occurred only a few years later, and about four decades later, in 70 A.D. came the destruction of Jerusalem by Titus.
In approximately 700 B.C. the prophet Micah named the tiny village of Bethlehem as the birthplace of Israel's Messiah (Micah 5:2). The fulfillment of this prophecy in the birth of Christ is one of the most widely known and widely celebrated facts in history.

(3) In the fifth century B.C. a prophet named Zechariah declared that the Messiah would be betrayed for the price of a slave—thirty pieces of silver, according to Jewish law-and also that this money would be used to buy a burial ground for Jerusalem's poor foreigners (Zechariah 11:12-13). Bible writers and secular historians both record thirty pieces of silver as the sum paid to Judas Iscariot for betraying Jesus, and they indicate that the money went to purchase a "potter's field," used—just as predicted—for the burial of poor aliens (Matthew 27:3-10).