Computers With Timer Mode

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Thanks Roak, I hope there isn't too many more to choose from. I get confused rather easily ;). I'll have to do some price shopping.

Mike
 
The Aeris Savant is the same thing as the Oceanic XTC-100, and like UP said, once you've got it violated, it goes into gauge mode but doesn't lock you out from subsequent dives.

The Freediving mode of the Mosquito is pretty much the same as the Gauge mode, except that after a certain time (I think 5 minutes was mentioned in this thread), it will think "Hmm, that's a pretty long freedive" and begin to display "Er". It won't lock out, though; I managed to use mine for 4 dives over two days.

I use a Vyper myself, and prefer it over the Stinger because

1. It's got an easier to use push-button menu (Stinger takes some getting used to, but no biggie)

2. It's got that simulator mode; I did a comparison between the Vyper's sim and GAP Planner -- the deep stops generated were not the deep stops I expected, and total deco time was higher by about 30% on the Vyper (I forget the profile I ran now, something like 25 minutes at 200, or something like that; around 60 minutes on GAP and 80+ on the Suunto). As mentioned somewhere in this thread, it's not really a deco computer anyway.

And if you run it in computer mode, yeah, it IS a bit on the conservative side. Another interesting thing to note is that the color graph on the left side is not a graphical representation of nitrogen loading (as with the Oceanics and US Divers), but more like a "warning light" of how close you are to deco, e.g., if the bar is all the way up into the top red, you're less than 5 minutes from deco. As you ascend, depending on no-deco time, this bar will back off gradually toward the green.

3. It's got a bigger display than the Stinger; easy to read. The logbook and bookmarking functions on the Vyper are pretty much the same as the Stinger.

True what UP (was it?) said about snagging when gearing up; I just deal with it by putting my left arm (where my gauges are) in my harness first. Also, I've removed the rubber boot that comes with the Vyper, making it a bit lower profile than with the boot.

The plastic shield can be removed for cleaning, btw; I just use my watch strap (a Trident replacement strap), slide it under the wide side opening, and push it in until the shield snaps up and out (it's difficult to try and just pull it off).

If you do decide to get a Vyper, take note: the black units are imperial, the green are metric, and the silver/gray are switchable.

A final thing on the Vyper: as mentioned, if you use it in Gauge Mode, you can't switch modes for 48 hours after your last dive. If you use it in Nitrox mode, you can't switch out until the desat timer clears, although you can switch O2 percentages. If you use it in Air mode, same thing, though -- you can't switch out (not even to Nitrox) until desat clears. So if you dive Nitrox every once in a while, best to keep your Vyper on a Nitrox 21% setting when you do air.

Oh, one more thing you can consider as a bottom timer: as another backup, I use a Citizen Aqualand. Depth and dive time info, ascent rate alarm, depth and time alarm during a dive, automatically enters dive mode, and logs up to four dives (time in and out, max/average depth, dive time, temperature).

Haven't used a NiTek3 myself, but a friend of mine does, and he loves it. Screen's a bit crowded he says, but not bad. Have you seen the VR3 10-gas computer coming from OMS? Looks promising.

Ciao. :)
 
Mike,

Although my diving experience is limited, I do have a comment about the Vyper. Scuba Santa brought me one for Christmas this year and I absolutely LOVE it.

(Hell I'm so hyped on diving that if you gave me two rocks and told me they were for diving I'd love them too)

Anyway I digress. Whilest I was sitting next to the Christmas Tree surrounded by my diving goodies, I whipped out my Vyper and began playing with it. (In a different context that would sound VERY BAD) I noticed RIGHT AWAY that the buttons were small and difficult to push. I ran to my closet and grabbed my 5mm Neoprene gloves and proceeded to complete my orientation on the Vyper with gloved hands.

Rodales listed the buttons as one of the only drawbacks with the Vyper. I would have to agree. They are VERY difficult to push with heavy neoprene gloves on, BUT NOT IMPOSSIBLE.

There isn't a lot of button pushing that really needs to happen though. The guage face is very comprehensive. There are three buttons.

At depth, you can push the mode button to turn on the light (which I have programmed to stay on for 30 seconds which allows ample time for doing double takes on the guages) or you can push the

You can push the time button(while diving) and that would toggle between your actual dive time and the current time of day.

And lastly, you can push the "Plan" button" while diving and it will bookmark the dive in the dive history so you can check the profile afterwards against the specific event(s)

SO.....In summary. I love the Vyper, but it's only drawback as a recreational computer is (in my VERY LIMITED experience) the button size and pressure required to push them (especially whilest gloved).

Sincerely, Your fellow Michigander (although a LP Troll)

Windknot

p.s. For what it's worth, I HAVE been to the Marquette Holiday Inn several times for a conference (Great BAR)
 
Originally posted by Windknot
At depth, you can push the mode button to turn on the light (which I have programmed to stay on for 30 seconds

Are the batteries in the Vyper user replaceable???
I can't remember.... in the Stinger they are not....
So I use my light to illuminate the readout....
 
Yes the Vyper does have a user replacable battery. It uses a 3.0V Lithium battery. You can (for a price I'm sure) order "Battery Kits" from Suuntu that contain a battery and an extra O ring. Probably not a bad habit to change O-ring whenever you replace the battery.

Kind of a neat side to the Vyper is that it has a transparent battery cover so you can check for moisture within the system. Again, being new to the sport, that could be standard and I wouldn't know it.

Also, the Vyper has a 74 page user manual. It is very indepth (pun intended) .
 
Thanks for the post. Have you dove the Straits yet? If not, let me know, and I'll set up a tour for ya :). Great wrecks.

Mike
 
The straits are on my list of sites to go this summer. I've gotta get my AOW done this winter/spring. Need a little deeper experience before I jet off to the straits. I'll take ya up on it though. Just no troll jokes eh?

Wind
 
Windknot...

Welcome to the board and to the wonderful world of diving. :)

That problem about the buttons didn't occur to me because, well, I don't dive with gloves, being the tropical island boy that I am. :) That, and I have small fingers.
 
Originally posted by Windknot

Rodales listed the buttons as one of the only drawbacks with the Vyper. I would have to agree. They are VERY difficult to push with heavy neoprene gloves on, BUT NOT IMPOSSIBLE.

Windknot.....
I just realized that the buttons on my Stinger are a lot smaller that those on your Vyper....
And I use dry gloves....
And I can push my buttons...

Now maaybeeee drygloves are better for dexterity...
But I really don't think so....
Look at it this way....
You buttons are safe from accidental activation!!!
 

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