Citizen Cyber Aqualand NX
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I am glad you like it. I may have to take you up on the software. Do you think it can be e-mailed?
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I've got a Citizen Hyper Aqualand, but I've never heard of a Cyber Aqualand. Is it the same thing, or just a newer model?
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..........(not to be confused with the much less expensive Hyper Aqualand, the MSRP on the Cyber was $1,200 as I was told by retailer at time of purchase).
Would anyone here (especially you very knowledgeable experts) know if this "Cyber Aqualand dive computer" would or could be considered a "reliable" dive computer that you could use a PRIMARY computer for non-mixed gas diving?? Would anyone here personally trust it for multi-level diving?? I have read the owner's manual from cover to cover and there aren't any warnings stating that this watch cannot be trusted as a primary for non-mixed gas diving and it appears to be very well suited for multi-level dives as well. I am not familiar with any of the types of algorithms that may be used for computing and would simply like to know if anyone here has info on this watch beyond the owner's manual and more importantly would they trust their "life" to the data it will share. Obviously our own working knowledge of the tables and deco stops and times is not to be replaced by these computers, but I think you can see the jist of what I am trying to find out here. Does anyone here dive with this watch and if so have they ever had any "issues" to speak of?? Thanks in advance, I just found this site and have to say that some of you guys are INCREDIBLY knowledgeable about this stuff and I hope my question doesn't appear to be too idiotic.
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EX_NAVYORDIE
PADI- OPEN, ADVANCED and RESCUE cert.:boom:
Would anyone here (especially you very knowledgeable experts) know if this "Cyber Aqualand dive computer" would or could be considered a "reliable" dive computer that you could use a PRIMARY computer for non-mixed gas diving?? Would anyone here personally trust it for multi-level diving?? I have read the owner's manual from cover to cover and there aren't any warnings stating that this watch cannot be trusted as a primary for non-mixed gas diving and it appears to be very well suited for multi-level dives as well. I am not familiar with any of the types of algorithms that may be used for computing and would simply like to know if anyone here has info on this watch beyond the owner's manual and more importantly would they trust their "life" to the data it will share. Obviously our own working knowledge of the tables and deco stops and times is not to be replaced by these computers, but I think you can see the jist of what I am trying to find out here. Does anyone here dive with this watch and if so have they ever had any "issues" to speak of?? Thanks in advance, I just found this site and have to say that some of you guys are INCREDIBLY knowledgeable about this stuff and I hope my question doesn't appear to be too idiotic.
Best regards,
EX_NAVYORDIE
PADI- OPEN, ADVANCED and RESCUE cert.:boom:
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...........which I somehow missed before, but did notice after re-reading the owner's manual again. First, this watch uses an algorithm "Licensed from the (DCIEM) Defence and Civil Institute of Environmental Medicine Canada". This algorithm could very well be written in heiroglyphics for all I know because I have no knowledge whether this is good, bad or indifferent and maybe you guys will know the skinny on it. Secondly, on a page dedicated to WARNINGS which range from not diving without instruction to avoiding impacts, the manual does state, "This watch should not be used a primary instrument for diving". I guess I am wondering if this is a standard or generic warning that basically accompanies all dive computers or should this watch very simply not be "trusted". Any input is greatly appreciated in advance.
Best regards,
EX_NAVYORDIE
PADI- OPEN, ADVANCED and RESCUE cert.:mean:
Best regards,
EX_NAVYORDIE
PADI- OPEN, ADVANCED and RESCUE cert.:mean:
I bought one when they first came out in Singapore, and I would not recommend it. Still, here's the pros and cons from my perspective:
Pros
Nice watch (although a bit bulky)
Deco/safety stop timer/graph (the display converts to a graph showing your depth and time against a reference depth).
Downloadable via USB cable and re-charging cradle
Never need to change batteries because you can recharge the internal batteries via the cradle
Cons
Rather conservative algorithm
Poor lighting, pretty much useless in dim conditons without shining a light at the watch
No gauge mode
TOTAL LOCKOUT WHEN VIOLATED
Cannot change units (m/ft, C/F)
Air only
Download software is windows only.
Easy to do a "total reset" when you meant to do a "data clean-up" key combination
I dove this computer using it primarily as a back-up timer for my Nitek. If was considerably more conservative than the Nitek for air, and useless for nitrox. The first time I dove it with nitrox and put it into violation, I discovered that it basically froze and wouldn't do anything but tell time for 24 hours. I realize this is an intended feature of the computer, but I'd prefer one that at least continues to function as a bottom timer.
As it turns out, they also don't survive motorcycle accidents very well, so I no longer have this watch :-(. If and when I get around to replacing it, it will be with a Suunto Stinger, although I'll probably just stick with a cheapo Casio G-shock and not worry about the depth, etc (I have a ReefNet Sensus for that).
hth
Alan
Pros
Nice watch (although a bit bulky)
Deco/safety stop timer/graph (the display converts to a graph showing your depth and time against a reference depth).
Downloadable via USB cable and re-charging cradle
Never need to change batteries because you can recharge the internal batteries via the cradle
Cons
Rather conservative algorithm
Poor lighting, pretty much useless in dim conditons without shining a light at the watch
No gauge mode
TOTAL LOCKOUT WHEN VIOLATED
Cannot change units (m/ft, C/F)
Air only
Download software is windows only.
Easy to do a "total reset" when you meant to do a "data clean-up" key combination
I dove this computer using it primarily as a back-up timer for my Nitek. If was considerably more conservative than the Nitek for air, and useless for nitrox. The first time I dove it with nitrox and put it into violation, I discovered that it basically froze and wouldn't do anything but tell time for 24 hours. I realize this is an intended feature of the computer, but I'd prefer one that at least continues to function as a bottom timer.
As it turns out, they also don't survive motorcycle accidents very well, so I no longer have this watch :-(. If and when I get around to replacing it, it will be with a Suunto Stinger, although I'll probably just stick with a cheapo Casio G-shock and not worry about the depth, etc (I have a ReefNet Sensus for that).
hth
Alan
lragsac
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You may find the Stinger a tad too conservative as well, although I've known people who remedy that (at their own peril of course) by setting it on Nitrox and bumping the O2 up to, say, 23 or 24%.
Also, the battery is not user replacable. If you violate it, I believe it goes into guage mode but doesn't lock you out entirely.
At any rate, the Stinger is kind of an expensive bottom timer/depth guage if you are already relying on your Nitek as your primary computer.
Panama Jack
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I have a "Hyper" Auqualand that I use for a bottom timer and a backup if i need to revert to tables in the event of a computer failure. Looks nice enough to wear out to dinner and doesn't cost that much, considering it comes with the pc interface unlike other watches that will charge you an extra $150. I would buy a Suunto mosquito, actually I did, my wife uses a mosquito for a primary computer. It is a little conservative on cetain dive profiles, but it is really close to my Uwatec, usually. The batteries are user replacable on the mosquito, but the stinger looks better as an everyday timepeice.
Delta_P
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The DCIEM algorithm was developed by the Canadian Military for strenuous cold-water exposures. It is backed by an extensive body of chamber and doppler studies.
Several jurisdictions in Canada require commercial and government divers to use the DCIEM tables. Besides Canada, I expect the major interest in this computer would be in Scandanavia and other far north locations. Why it was released last year as a yuppie toy in Japan and the Far East (and not Canada) is just another mystery of marketing. Warnings to the contrary, I expect this unit will be the only instrument on the wrists of most occupational divers in Canada shortly after Citizen finally releases it in North America. There's a lot of pent up demand for it here.
I've only seen beta test units, so I have no idea how reliable these things will be in the field. The test units looked promising, and Citizen can build good equipment when they want to.
The Nitrox version is due out "soon". It appears they're aware of the issue of switching between metric and imperial units and hopefully will do something about it with this next release.
The DCIEM tables work well for calculating multilevel dives on the fly. I don't see why the computer wouldn't be as effective.
Would I "trust my life to it"? No more than I'd trust any other computer. Blue screens of death are stressful enough above water, I don't need that at 30 metres. :boom:
Several jurisdictions in Canada require commercial and government divers to use the DCIEM tables. Besides Canada, I expect the major interest in this computer would be in Scandanavia and other far north locations. Why it was released last year as a yuppie toy in Japan and the Far East (and not Canada) is just another mystery of marketing. Warnings to the contrary, I expect this unit will be the only instrument on the wrists of most occupational divers in Canada shortly after Citizen finally releases it in North America. There's a lot of pent up demand for it here.
I've only seen beta test units, so I have no idea how reliable these things will be in the field. The test units looked promising, and Citizen can build good equipment when they want to.
The Nitrox version is due out "soon". It appears they're aware of the issue of switching between metric and imperial units and hopefully will do something about it with this next release.
The DCIEM tables work well for calculating multilevel dives on the fly. I don't see why the computer wouldn't be as effective.
Would I "trust my life to it"? No more than I'd trust any other computer. Blue screens of death are stressful enough above water, I don't need that at 30 metres. :boom:
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