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drbill:
Out of curiosity what was your bad experience on the Vision. PM me if you prefer not to post it here. TIA.
1.Crew got drunk on Avalon and left me in charge of their boat with a cell number to call if something bad happened.
2. The filter won't allow me to reproduce the words the crew loved to use on a regular basis but telling an underage girl they shave their own balls is unprofessional at best.
3. Never got to a dive site before 9:30 in the morning, EVER. Twice during the trip they motored for two hours only to return to the previous spot. Appeared lost.
4. Boat left nearly an hour late the first night as we waited for a crew members girlfriend to arrive.
5. After the first dive crew never watched anyone enter the water as they were too busy having fun. We started making fun of it as we gave the OK sign to the invisible crew member.
6. Crew only rarely offered help to passengers getting off the swim platform. One time while when we had 4 divers on the platform at once and two crew members ignored them I went down to offer help. Then the crew members noticed and offered me to hand up the fins and stuff to them.
7. As badly hung over as the crew was, including their "safety" diver, not a single passenger felt they were being cared for nor did they feel safe.
8. A generally surly attitude prevealed from some crew to go along with rude comments. A couple of divers would air off their dust caps and the crew member would snarl at them and tell them that they'd have to start providing hearing protection. This isn't bad in itself but it was pretty much how most things were handled.
9. One of our passengers got drunk along with the crew. When he came back to the boat he hit his wife. 3 crew members tackled him and this was good. What wasn't so good was John punching this passenger in the face several times while he was held down. I liked the drunk being hit but it wasn't professional. We insisted that our paying passenger be arrested and he was, no problem there. Of course being drunk a couple of crew members went a bit overboard with language screaming at the top of their lungs terms like M-fer and C-sucker. Dozens of times.
10. After returning from their drunken party some of the crew and a couple of gf's along with a couple of our divers stripped naked and jumped from the boat into the water. I appreciate nudity as much as the next guy but again, it sure wasn't professional and we did have a couple of 10 year olds on board.
Some of us were asleep until the crew returned because we actually thought we were going to go diving again but the shouting and screaming from the party on deck woke everyone up.

On the other hand the galley staff was amazing. Kelly deserves to work with a professional crew and I'm very sad for her. Those few of us who tipped gave our money directly to the galley crew.

The shop I instruct for has reserved two trips for next year but it appears that will change. I doubt very much that Truth Aquatics cares in the least if we go someplace else. Two full boats isn't 1% of their business. We would return if we got on the Conception with Jerry but it appears he's already booked. If that doesn't change we're done with them and will go elsewhere.

With Jerry's crew I had 5 more dives over the length of the trip and of course his crew is sharp. Tommy is a nice enough guy but it appeared he wants to be friends with his crew.

My personal thing is I want our customers and our students to think of me as a good resourse. I always send them to places where I know they'll have a great time. Right now my value to them has dropped.
 
wow, while i much preferred the conception and its crew, i don't feel that strongly about the vision...Jerry and his crew go much further to see that you are enjoying the trip..
 
mossym:
wow, while i much preferred the conception and its crew, i don't feel that strongly about the vision...Jerry and his crew go much further to see that you are enjoying the trip..
Agreed.
 
Must admit that this report was startling since I know the captain involved and his parents (but have never dived on the Vision while he was in charge). Not in any way discounting it- I'd have no basis.
 
drbill:
Must admit that this report was startling since I know the captain involved and his parents (but have never dived on the Vision while he was in charge). Not in any way discounting it- I'd have no basis.


the one trip i've had on the vision i thought they were good, and if it had been my only trip i would have been impressed. However, not close to the experience i had on the conception.

The one thing i agree with Al about is the morning arrival time. granted on the vision we were going to San Clemente, which is a trek. but we went to san miguel on the conception. anyway, every morning i woke up on the conception we were at a site with the gates open. on the vision, we were always still moving at 9, maybe at a site by 9.30.
 
This is the internet and I really don't expect anyone to believe me just because they read it here.

Arriving very late to all sites would have been a concern regardless because I signed up and all our customers signed up to dive, a lot. We didn't get to.

The rest is very disturbing and we await response from Truth Aquatics. We don't expect one here and we're curious what their response will be to us at the shop.
 
I may rename the boat Piece of s*hit, I remember my bunk was like a coffin ( i think it may have been under the stairwell) and you had to be a contortionist to get in and out of it. Go again? NO Way.
 
I just spent three days on the Sand Dollar off Catalina and San Clemente. All eleven of us had a great time. The boat is rustic but they have nitrox and the crew was eager to please. All these boats have cramped sleeping quarters. None of them are luxurious but rather spartan I would say. There was some cussing but so what. We are talking about deckhands not daycare workers. Marine heads stink. So what else is new.

We did get a lot of diving in. Some people did six dives in a day.Frankly thats all we cared about. Having a limited load really helps.

Went out on the Vision last year and had a great time there as well. Its a nicer and larger boat but our shop overbooked IMO. I saw no bad maners at all. These people spend a lot of time on their boats so its not surprising they would let off some steam occasionly. How many regular Joes do you know that could work under those conditions 200 or more days and nites per year?
 
Brian Gilpin:
Went out on the Vision last year and had a great time there as well. Its a nicer and larger boat but our shop overbooked IMO. I saw no bad maners at all. These people spend a lot of time on their boats so its not surprising they would let off some steam occasionly. How many regular Joes do you know that could work under those conditions 200 or more days and nites per year?
Blow off steam? Yep they were doing that. Of course I don't consider the entire crew drunk blowing off steam. The Vision captain and crew left 6 of us on the boat, alone, so they could go get drunk and then return to the boat shouting and yelling and getting naked with their girlfriends jumping into the harbor.

After two weeks still no replies from Truth Aquatics. We would book with the Conception with Jerry as captain but never with the Vision again, ever.

Maybe if your daughter was aboard the boat and had to endure what the crew was doing you'd feel different. Maybe if a crew member talked to her about shaving his balls you'd feel different?

Or maybe you'd think he was just drunk and blowing off steam.
 
Al Mialkovsky:
Blow off steam? Yep they were doing that. Of course I don't consider the entire crew drunk blowing off steam. The Vision captain and crew left 6 of us on the boat, alone, so they could go get drunk and then return to the boat shouting and yelling and getting naked with their girlfriends jumping into the harbor.

After two weeks still no replies from Truth Aquatics. We would book with the Conception with Jerry as captain but never with the Vision again, ever.

Maybe if your daughter was aboard the boat and had to endure what the crew was doing you'd feel different. Maybe if a crew member talked to her about shaving his balls you'd feel different?

Or maybe you'd think he was just drunk and blowing off steam.

Well I guess I have to agree with you. The whole crew is way over the top.Plenty of other boats out there. I generally just vote with my feet. If I was them I would at least get back to you.
 

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