Censorship and SB..how far are we going to take this???

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It was weird driving on A1A yesterday...it was sunny, 82, ocean on the left and x-mas decorations on the right...just doesnt seem right for December. :)

I hope this doesnt offend anyone.
 
Agreed, but the harm (?) could be the resources needed to provide that forum. It will take bandwidth, mod time (although probably not much of that), and I'm sure have a cost associated with it, all of which dilutes the rest of the board which is focused on diving. And if an opt-in forum already exists (even if on another board), why not just go there?

There already is an Opt-In forum here on Scuba Board. It's called the Surface Interval. It is inside the Non-Dive Related forum.
 
It was weird driving on A1A yesterday...it was sunny, 82, ocean on the left and x-mas decorations on the right...just doesnt seem right for December. :)

I hope this doesnt offend anyone.

Welcome to south Florida where we have 2 seasons. Summer, and February.
 
Agreed, but the harm (?) could be the resources needed to provide that forum. It will take bandwidth, mod time (although probably not much of that), and I'm sure have a cost associated with it, all of which dilutes the rest of the board which is focused on diving. And if an opt-in forum already exists (even if on another board), why not just go there?

If divers go to another forum, Scubaboard loses eyeballs. Eyeballs=$. The advertisers wouldn't like that much. Thanks for playing though.
 
You seem to be harshing your mellow........
This doesn't effect only him. MOF is a huge family of friends. We actively dive together and visit together. Instead of allowing it to annoy you, don't opt in.......

It doesn't annoy me. I'm not against the concept or the content. What worries me is dilution and distraction. So we make an opt-in forum that is basically a free open forum. Then you find that a large group of divers also does needlepoint- should they get a sub-forum? How about Chevy Drivers, then Ford drivers, then Vespa riders, then boxer wearers (don't wear briefs or you'll die!). Eventually, by trying to be all things to all members, you can lose the focus of the board. I think that would be a shame.
 
It was weird driving on A1A yesterday...it was sunny, 82, ocean on the left and x-mas decorations on the right...just doesnt seem right for December. :)

I hope this doesnt offend anyone.

Doesn't offend me ... I had a weird week-end too. Saturday I was diving in a snowstorm ... pretty unusual for Seattle, especially on December 01. Yesterday I was driving across Lake Washington on the 520 floating bridge. A 30 mph wind was pushing big waves crashing into the south side of the bridge, spraying motorists and freezing on the bridge deck. At the same time, the water on the north side of the bridge was completely calm. Here we all were, doing 10 mph, trying to concentrate and not slide into the cars around us, when all of a sudden some clown in a Santa suit goes zipping by on a jet ski ... being towed by three other clowns on jet skis dressed in reindeer outfits.

Talk about weird ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
It doesn't annoy me. I'm not against the concept or the content. What worries me is dilution and distraction. So we make an opt-in forum that is basically a free open forum. Then you find that a large group of divers also does needlepoint- should they get a sub-forum? How about Chevy Drivers, then Ford drivers, then Vespa riders, then boxer wearers (don't wear briefs or you'll die!). Eventually, by trying to be all things to all members, you can lose the focus of the board. I think that would be a shame.

The problem isn't that there are non-diving forums where people of like minds can go and socialize ... the problem is that those non-diving discussions often spill out into the diving forums.

As long as they can keep that stuff in the sandboxes it was created for, I don't have a problem with it ... people like to talk about stuff. Let 'em.

FWIW - I agree with the OP as far as treating people like adults ... it becomes an issue because some of them will inevitably refuse to behave like adults ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
It doesn't annoy me. I'm not against the concept or the content. What worries me is dilution and distraction. So we make an opt-in forum that is basically a free open forum. Then you find that a large group of divers also does needlepoint- should they get a sub-forum? How about Chevy Drivers, then Ford drivers, then Vespa riders, then boxer wearers (don't wear briefs or you'll die!). Eventually, by trying to be all things to all members, you can lose the focus of the board. I think that would be a shame.

If it's an opt in forum and it keeps or attracts users who wouldnt normally visit or stay here, what's the harm?

That doesn't detract from the diving forum, unless you personally choose to allow it to distract you.
 
In every forum, online or off, there will be two distinct minorities among the much greater population. One minority group is made up of the people who do whatever they can to make the group work smoothly. They end up being the volunteers, moderators, or even just plain nice people. They try to keep everyone else from shoving pointy sticks into each other.

Then there is the other minority group, serving the opposite function. They are the contentious ones. They want things to be the way they want things to be, as it will be better then. They have many more strong opinions (although not necessarily stronger opinions) than the other minority.

The volunteering group will do whatever they can to help the group, and they don't consider it a huge burden to watch their tongues or think about their actions. They tend to be quiet as much as possible, allowing the group to move as it wishes, but they also tend to hold the line when it comes to something that they can easily see will not be good for the group (and they can see much better, as they actively consider everyone, even if it means doing something they don't particularly like).

The contentious group are louder. If they believe the group has wronged them, they'll make no bones about saying so. It's not that they don't care about anyone. They may care about the group quite a lot, but they do not give as much weight to the good of the many as they do to themselves. All but the most cynical of them honestly believe that the group would be better if their ideas were followed, but they are sometimes blind to anything that shows that may not be the case. If you try to point out to them something that shows they are wrong, they may become agitated and even upset, as it is apparent in their minds that you have ulterior motives -- if you didn't, you'd see that their way would be better for everyone.

The two minorities are only minorities, of course. The majority are neither inspired to volunteer nor predisposed to offense. If the group is comfortable, they stay and become part. If the group is unpleasant, they go away to find some other group to sample. If the group is dominated by the contentious minority, it will be unpleasant. Nobody but the complainer enjoys a complaint, after all. If the group has no contentious minority, it will suffer from self-delusion and become too closely modeled on the volunteer minority. When that happens, it becomes a clique and those not in the volunteer minority will feel uncomfortably out of place.

Much of this thread seems primarily populated with the contentious minority. From near the beginning it became argumentative (both in itself and with the perceived status quo). Little was devoted to trying to work together, with the effort going instead to bashing people, posters, anonymous contributors, various moralities, and so on. The volunteering minority must find this thread practically repulsive, and so, their voices will be disproportionately missing. (On the other hand, the contentious minority may really enjoy the swordplay.)

People used to be much better at restraining themselves for the good of others. That seems to be a worthless pursuit in the opinions of some. Do not for a minute believe that their opinion is held by everyone on the board. If it were, this would long ago have devolved into chaos. Still, the moment you find everyone agreeing is the moment you know your days are numbered.


People kept posting after I wrote this, so to some of that, let me say that I don't see any need to police opt-in areas that are designated for threads I may not personally like. If having unrestrained forums means that the poorly-restrained posters will accept moderation in the main forums, it may serve a useful purpose... like the lymph system or something.
 

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