BP/W & Long Hose In a PADI IE Exam

[Hawkwood]

Is everyone you are doing your IDC with also configured exactly the same way you are?

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Tursiops...too funny. What would be the odds of us posting the same thing at the same time?

 

[tursiops]

Tursiops...too funny. What would be the odds of us posting the same thing at the same time?

Pretty high, I'd say in retrospect!

 

[Divetech99]

No CD yet. Still checking out options and Doing prep/research work for IDC. What I know from those that have taken the IE is candidates are on standard jacket BC setup. But then that's a limited view. Don't know if the norm has been broken and how it worked out (better or worse) that's why I'm asking.

 

[Sevenrider860]

No CD yet. Still checking out options and Doing prep/research work for IDC. What I know from those that have taken the IE is candidates are on standard jacket BC setup. But then that's a limited view. Don't know if the norm has been broken and how it worked out (better or worse) that's why I'm asking.

My recommendation (and of others) is to follow the advice of your Course Director. The CD is there to prepare you to pass the IE.

I personally feel the major adjustment for your fellow IE candidates would be the Unresponsive Diver at the Surface exercise. Even with "standard" jacket BCDs there are a lot of variations. Quick disconnects on the shoulder straps versus a ScubaPro Classic Stab Jacket design; Integrated weights (Aqualung, Zeagle "RipCord", other designs, etc) versus weight belts; Back inflate BCD versus Jacket style, etc. While a long hose and short hose w/ necklace configuration should not prevent an IE candidate from performing the skills correctly, it might not be something they practiced in their training, it may not end up being "demonstration" quality, and could add additional stress to a day that is already stressful enough.

In a real situation, I think I could get a BP/W off quicker than any standard BCD...my Eezycut goes through 2-inch webbing like butter...and I don't have to think about multiple releases (chest strap no chest strap, cummerbund no cummerbund, etc).

 

[RJP]

Hopefully a PADI Examiner can chime in and render advice.

I really think this is one of those "the fact that you're asking the question tells you the answer" situations.

If not, you need to ask yourself what the reason is that you desire to do it in BP/W. What are you hoping to achieve?

 

[Pullmyfinger]

I would suggest doing your IDC and IE using the same kind of recreational setup everyone else uses.
It's just the way it is Man.

Many of your fellow candidates are there having moved up through the recreational classes, and the BP/W-long hose setups many of us dive is just going to be foreign to your fellow candidates.
To use an Army expression...."Don't be a buddy f•••er."

Showing up to an IDC and IE with something other than standard issue recreational gear.....to some, you'll look like you're from another planet.

Just get it done and then go do your thing after you get back home.

Good luck with your course and examination.

Cheers,
Mitch

 

[Hawkwood]

Where are you located?

Where do you plan on teaching when you are done?

 

[danvolker]

I'm thinking the religious debate going on, has prevented the discussion of a key issue...

We know most Dive Shops would see important profit for their business, in sales to students, of the gear they specialize in...

So what if the Dive shop is a shop that specializes in some cool gear like the Apeks bp/wing....and maybe they also have Halcyon and maybe Diverite...
Hopefully we can all agree that a shop would have the "Right" to choose this kind of gear to sell....to sell "Different" main brands than many other shops in their trade radius, that they would be competing with as a dive shop. And this Dive Shop will have a big rental department, and students get custom fit into bp/wing rental gear.....and if they BUY later on, they get a discount.

This shop would WANT the instructor to have PROVEN his/her competence at teaching, while wearing a Bp/wing.....any suggestion of going through the IDC in a Stab Jacket, only to later plan on teaching in a BP/wing, pretty much indicates a strong belief that the IDC is ONLY a "teaching credential" ( an otherwise meaningless certificate that allows one to teach for money) -- with no real implication as to Teaching skills....I think this would be a big mistake, for us to be forced to view the world in this way...

So for an entrepreneur, that decides to open this Dive Shop that specializes in BP/Wings....as it is a popular Niche Market, and a specialty that will quickly stand him apart for the large number of other dive shops, all trying to be PADI POSTER CHILDREN WITH primary student sales of Jacket BC's, octos and all the traditional recreational diver clutter, drag and sloppiness....WHY would it be wrong for him to try and sell what he thinks is a good inventory that he could base a dive shop model on? Clearly he believes in his gear choice, as other shop owners may believe in Scubapro, or Mares, or whatever....


If he has the "Right" to choose this bp/wing gear model, based on a known Niche in the market, why does he not then have the "Right" to have Instructors educated in BP/wings instruction, and certified in teaching in this gear? And if he has made this choice, why can't he utilize PADI for this, as he knows this is the biggest name in instruction, and in fact, every single skill in the IDC can be performed in the BP/wing.

As to making the test harder on the instructor candidate, why not assume that this shop wants the BEST instructors--the ones that are such naturals that performing the all the skills in BP/wing gear will be easy for them?
For those that would be challenged, let them work for the other shops

 

[Diver0001]

Has anyone done this or see this done during a PADI IE? How did it work out, particularly since some of the water IE tests are best done in a jacket BC and standard hose length?

Examples:

1. Rescue test #7 - unconscious diver on surface.
2. Scuba Unit removal and replacement UW
3. Weight belt removal and replacement UW
4. Alternate air source sharing.
5. Etc

Of course all of these skills can be done in a DIR setup but when taking the PADI - IE, you are required to simulate teaching and demo these skills to a simulated class, and it is assumed that all are wearing standard jacket style BC and standard short hose lengths.

I plan to teach in a DIR setup and encourage new OW students to start off with a DIR gear configuration. This will save the student's time and money and avoid learning/buying jacket BC config and later on, learning/buying BP/W down the road. So while I can do the IE in a jacket BC, I won't be true to my intent.

I welcome the advice, counsel of any PADI instructor examiner or CD reading this, as well as those that have seen this done in an actual IE.

Thanks.

There is a paradigm at work here. I think that anyone who wants to shift the paradigm needs to do that *outside* the context of their own IE. I support you wanting to do that.

If you're asking whether or not teaching "Hogarthian" concepts in OW is ok or not...... it's ok.

If you're asking whether or not you need to shove it down the throat of the IE's...... I wouldn't advise it.

R..

 

[Pullmyfinger]

My approach came simply from not wanting to add any unknown elements to it for my fellow students in the course......so I chose to show up with gear that was similar to what I knew everyone else would be using.
I didn't see the value in showing up in my backplate/kool aid rig.

As I travel and dive......it appears that people outside of dive forums, don't even know about a BP/W.

The IDC and IE isn't really about you the individual.....you are part of a group.

Nobody there is really going to care how cool and fabulous you are in a BP/W.

They are there trying to pass the exam.

I wasn't going to show up with a backplate anymore than I would show up with my Stealth.

Cheers,
Mitch