Blue Heron Bridge Trolls III

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Night diving is by permit only, and even then, you must be out of the parking lot (not just the water) by 10pm. A few local dive shops have always generously pulled permits (which they pay for) and offered free night dives when the tides are right.

I wonder how true this is. When Stuart Scuba opened the dive shop at the park, they were put in charge of issuing permits for short while. I talked to Peter, the shop owner about this, and he said permitting was free. Maybe this has changed? Does anyone have insight if there are fees or not?
 
There seems to be a bit of confusion about permits, and night permits. So I did what works when all other things fail, I read the instructions, Palm Beach County Parks, Phil Foster.

About two thirds of the way done the page there is header that says "Diving". There are very few rules. One of the rules however, is that to do any scuba instructing at the park you must obtain a permit. It can be done as an individual instructor, or as a shop. Individuals pay $150 + tax, shops pay $350 + tax. (All of this information is available of the permit application, BTW). Permit is the county covering their butt liability wise, i.e. the instructor needs to be insured and prove it. Also there is another country covering their butt workmans comp release.

Obtaining this permit to do instruction, allows said holder of the permit to conduct "supervised night dives". However to do the night dives, the entity performing the night dives must give notice by calling 561-966-6623. I called the number, low and behold an actual person answers. The same person that issues the instructor permits. Yes, he has to be called biweekly to be informed if the entity is going to be doing night dives between sunrise and 10 pm on the days when that happens.

So doing the night dives does not incur any further cost to instructor or shop beyond the instruction permit that is required anyway. I know Force-E and Pura Vida have the shop permits. But my general impression was that a lot of these individual instructors didn't bother with the getting the permit. So I asked how many permits were issued for 2023 he said, 50. In 2022 it was, 70. I also asked him if there had been any recent issues with night divers "violating rules", he replied "not that he was aware of".

I have not done a lot of night dives at BHB. The few times I did, I signed a release and got a parking permit from Pura Vida. Pura Vida had a guide there, that you could go with for free or you could go off on your own. It seems that "supervised night dive" has been very loosely interpreted by Force E, and Pura Vida up to now.

We are making these changes in order to help enhance diver safety and ensure future access to Phil Foster Park for scuba divers. A number of different guided dive and class options are available to divers interested in exploring Blue Heron Bridge after dark.

We appreciate your understanding as we strive to protect access to this popular shore diving location on behalf of the dive community. If you have questions about these changes or would like to discuss available night diving activities, please call us at (561) 840-8750.

It seems to me like Pura Vida does not want to do it for free anymore, and the above is just a corporate way of saying, yeah, we want money for the night dives because we have the permit and you don't. Not sure that it has anything to do enhancing safety or protecting access IMHO.

I would guess the solution is to use Force E like @MrChen said, or find one of the other 48 instructor permit holders and work with them. Of course, most of the other permit holders will not have a convenient location to pick up the parking pass, and even if you can arrange something would they do it for free?

We have also been told that Phil Foster Park is cracking down on early morning access. The “pool” opens at sunrise and if you arrive earlier than that, you may find yourself turned away by a park ranger.

Not sure of the veracity of this. I pretty much spend as much time at that park as anybody here or on the FB. I see a Park Ranger during the week at Phil Foster once in a Blue Moon. They just normally show up during the weekends. Not even sure that Park Rangers have authority to write parking tickets.

One other thing I would like to add. The park is open from sunrise to sunset. The fishing pier is open until 10pm. I think because of this paradox, i.e. the park is closed at sunset but you allowed to use the fishing pier until 10pm, the sheriffs tend not to bother hassling people until 10 pm approaches. This would coincide with the 10pm night dive limit.
 
I also asked him if there had been any recent issues with night divers "violating rules", he replied "not that he was aware of".

Very interesting coming from the exact county resource responsible for issuing night diving permits. I sense that this is being blown out of proportion and being used, as you suspect, as justification for simply not wanting to offer it as free service any longer. I'm a customer and fan of Pura Vida, and I don't like this development. But it is perfectly within their right.

I doubt we'll see Force-E change their process, at least I hope not.
 
I almost called the number today to do exactly what you did but I was working and was distracted. So my assumption was correct, there's no additional charge for the night dive permits. The shops pay the instructor fee, which is a new fee as of a couple years ago, and use that to do classes.

Also, the parking passes don't mean squat, but can be used as proof that you're diving under a permit if asked. I have been asked but never had to prove it.
 
Also, the parking passes don't mean squat,
To get the parking pass,,,,do divers also usually sign a liability release? We all know how crazy the insurance rules are cracking down on dive shops.
 
To get the parking pass,,,,do divers also usually sign a liability release? We all know how crazy the insurance rules are cracking down on dive shops.
Yeah, you sign in, do the release, and they give you a dated paper. But if the parking lot is open till 10p, what's the pass for? Peter at Stuart Scuba said it was unnecessary when they were issuing permits.
 
Anybody know what this statement is about regarding night dives at the BHB?
My understanding to this latest controversy is there were a diver or two that got into an argument with a park ranger or something.. and now extreme caution so we don't lose this privalage.

My recollection from when they first started issuing permits and passes for nighttime diving, the permit holder had to have $100,000 in insurance or something like that. Shops stepped up to the plate, got the insurance, and started offerning "FREE" night dives as a good will gesture.
Before then, the place was pretty sketchy after dark, or before daylight (much more than currently) and they (cops? park rangers?) needed to know who was a diver or possible trouble. Maybe that's one of the reasons for the parking pass? Maybe it's gotten lax, and they need to tighten back up for a while?
 
Today Force-E posted this on FB. Thankfully it looks like they have chosen a more measured (and correct IMO) response. It does not appear that they plan to change their process, at least for now.

Here is what they posted:

Who is ready for our scheduled Blue Heron Bridge Night dive tonight? Vis yesterday was 20ft and water temp 86. Just a reminder we have a supervisor on the beach to help you and we offer a group guided tour or private guides…just call 561-845-2333.
Note….everyone must be out of the park by 10 pm, not out of the water by 10 pm…please let’s follow the rules so we can continue to offer this event for our divers. Thank you!
 
Sounds a bit wiser and not so much knee jerk reaction.
 
My understanding to this latest controversy is there were a diver or two that got into an argument with a park ranger or something.. and now extreme caution so we don't lose this privalage.

My recollection from when they first started issuing permits and passes for nighttime diving, the permit holder had to have $100,000 in insurance or something like that. Shops stepped up to the plate, got the insurance, and started offerning "FREE" night dives as a good will gesture.
Before then, the place was pretty sketchy after dark, or before daylight (much more than currently) and they (cops? park rangers?) needed to know who was a diver or possible trouble. Maybe that's one of the reasons for the parking pass? Maybe it's gotten lax, and they need to tighten back up for a while?
I spoke with someone who knows the owner of PV and they discussed the incident. Yes, someone was getting out late and they got into a verbal altercation with park officials. These were not PV sponsored divers. My impression, based on the conversation, is that PV just doesn't want the liability of dealing with unruly divers and the impact upon their reputation with park officials.

As for costs, I was informed that the dive shops have to carry liability insurance in order to be issued permits. This would be a hidden cost not accounted for when we discussed the fact that permitting was free.
 
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