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Oh, that's not a bad idea at all ... I certainly prefer Castlemaine XXXX and VB to Kirin ... Then again, the Landcruiser isn't a bad piece of kit, compared to a Holden ... :yippie17:hoover:
Maybe the GrenzSchutzGruppe9 hasn't been mentioned because it is not a military unit, but rather part of the federal border patrol (Bundesgrenzschutz). As such they are more comparable to the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team then let's say Delta or DEVGRU. Germany has rough equivalents to those units in their military, too. Kommando Spezialkräfte (KSK) and Kampfschwimmer (combat swimmers), but as the German post WWII military goes, they haven't seen all that much combat action. KSK has been heavily involved in Bosnia, successfully hunting and bagging war criminals.6Gill:
Too late Fins youre doomed, you joined in and expressed an opinion!!!! I have to agree the ANZAC forces were superb in North Africa. The US Navy in the Pacific were monsters.....then again, Japan had no chance in competing against the US industrially. The British Gurka's have demostrated time and time again that they are some of the best troops when it comes to shock value. Now I am TOTALY biased here, being a US Marine, the US Marines have proved themselves time and time again since the Seminole Wars in the 1820's to be hard core warriors.fins wake:
They are indeed! In fact, with the British SAS Pagoda teams - don't know what the exact terms for the AT units are right now - and the French GIGN, you've probably got the 3 most accomplished hostage rescue/antiterrorist units right there.caveseeker7:
Absolutely. Just a few minor points. The Mogadishu action was in October 1977, and only one SAS operative was an officer (Major Morrison), the other being a NCO (Sergeant Davies of writing fame). Minor niggles, I know, but most NCO:s past and present are a bit particular about not being considered officers ... ahem ...caveseeker7:
The Bundeswehr has always been a bit hostile to Special Forces operations - much like the US Army right up to very recently - and that aspect has been neglected. The idea now is that KSK will take over these duties for actions abroad, but of course, although very well trained they haven't had the chance to exhibit their skills like GSG9 already have ...caveseeker7:
True, but that's assuming the US actually had the means to survive the first, heavy blows struck by the Imperial Japanese Navy. Not only did the USN quickly regroup after the Pearl Harbour disaster and improvise a quick defence, but actually gained a rapid stalemate through superb efforts leading up to and including the Battle of Midway. From then on, Nimitz led a fantastic campaign. Probably the greatest strategist of the war (with the possible exception of the hamstrung Manstein) and it's always the strategists who win wars ...wstein:
The Gurkhas are Nepalese, and have served not only Britain but also India with distinction for over a century and a half, and lately the Sultan of Brunei. (Indian Gurkha units are as highly regarded as their British Army counterparts.) The Gurkha soldier has a strong claim to being perhaps the world's best infantryman. In the Falklands war, it used to be said that Gurkhas could run up a hill faster than a British infantryman could run down ...wstein:
I realize this is touchy, but historically the US Marines must ranks paramount among the nation's warriors during the last 100 years ... It's interesting that the first major ground force units into Afghanistan were US Marines. Afghanistan is entirely landlocked ... That's saying something.wstein:
