Best CCR in 2025-2030 Rebreather Markets

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What exactly is wrong with my question?

Nothing, it is just unusual and people do not understand what your final goal is.

If your final goal is just looking for info just for the sake of it, no big company is producing non-professional rebreathers besides Mares as far as anyone here is aware of - period.

If you are asking this question to reach a different goal, you may try to clarify and get more help. Is it about training for students? For some research purposes (if yes, which one), Or what?
 
No big company is producing rebreathers besides Mares as far as anyone here is aware of - period.

Thanks for answering the question.

However, CCR market is changing and someone here might be aware of another big companies planning to make a move in coming years. Including Scubapro, Dräger, anyone else. Is it possible?
 
Thanks for answering the question.

However, CCR market is changing and someone here might be aware of another big companies planning to make a move in coming years. Including Scubapro, Dräger, anyone else. Is it possible?

If someone knew, they would have answered. And if everyone keeps answering they don't know, likely no company is doing it (usually these companies announce their product at events like DEMA or similar - so, really, we would know).

At the same time, it would be nice to know why you are trying to answer that question :)
 
If someone knew, they would have answered. And if everyone keeps answering they don't know, likely no company is doing it (usually these companies announce their product at events like DEMA or similar - so, really, we would know).

At the same time, it would be nice to know why you are trying to answer that question :)

If someone knew the answer, they would have kept it to themselves. New product announcement is highly valuable and guarded information. Insider disclosure is frowned upon. If you come across such information by accident, you'd probably keep it to yourself, too, for multiple reasons.
 
if everyone keeps answering they don't know, likely no company is doing it.

Yes no problem. That's why I posted my question. I will wait for anyone who might be aware of any old or new news relevant to big companies offering CCR.

And hopefully i will ask the same question next year and will get a response that Johnson Outdoors announced plans to aquire AP, Poseidon, or offer Dräger CCR for civilians.

Thanks 😊
 
Thanks. But I am still gathering information.

Maybe Dräger, Scubapro or Head Sports or any other big companies have something in the pipeline for this coming few years, how would you know without asking. I am still gathering information.



There is nothing wrong with asking if there are any big parent company offering rebreathers this year.

In car racing world, this is like asking which big parent companies will offer high-class racing units this year? The answer will be something like Mercedes and Ferrari.



When it comes to safety testing or any other considerations, Some might think Mercedes have much more at stake to lose than a small local race shop of 5-10 engineers.
This might appear to you, the question will exculde all other 50 small workshops who doesn't have big parents. That is ok. We still have to gather this important piece of information and then decide to ignore or not.



Economy of product line is not an excuse not to gather information. If any big companies planning to offer rebreathers, we need to know this important information.
Hi Mas,

NP: wasn't meant to sound petulant :-)

The rebreather market is probably similar to the very early days of motoring when there were dozens of tiny enthusiast companies working out of their blacksmith forges, or something like that. There's a massive market size difference from automotive, even amateur racing, than diving.

Take the UK for example. A population of circa 70m people with a history of aquatic dabbling. At its peak, the British Sub Aqua Club (BSAC) had a membership of around 50k people. Obviously there's orders of magnitude more people who'd "dun their paddy" on holiday, following the DiveMaster around a warm reef. In the UK there were a lot of dive boats diving on the myriad thousands of wrecks around our coasts.

Of those, the rebreather divers would be just a few hundred active divers. The Ambient Pressure Diving (AP) Inspiration (a.k.a. The Classic) was first sold in 1997. According to ChatGPT, the estimate is that AP have sold 25,000 units. JJ, the rebreather most people would recommend these days, has only sold 3,000 units. Hence I'll stand by my "miniscule" market statement.

Those numbers are way too small for the big players. ScubaPro will sell tens of thousands of regulators a year worldwide for the broader recreational diving market, ditto all the other large manufacturers.

When buying a rebreather, you select based upon a whole plethora of reasons, the main one being whether it's fit for the purpose you want to use it for, but mostly how well it's supported where you dive. In the UK, AP Inspirations are legion, most dive boats will have many Inspos diving in the 40+m/130ft range.

My personal choice for a Revo was based upon the engineering and design of the unit. I like the dual scrubber, the simplicity of the design, that no specialist tools are required (OK, the BCD button extractor!), that there's lots of redundancy (two separate computer monitors), the oxygen orifice, the enclosed lungs and the relative compactness of the unit. Most of all, I love the small amount of Sofnolime it consumes, mostly just one 1.3kg/3lb scrubber needs refilling.

But, and this is essential... The box is only a part of the story. You absolutely MUST get trained to use the rebreather unit as it really is out to kill you. The market won't let you rock up with a wad of used $20's and buy one; they will only ship it to your instructor prior to the booked course. AP won't even sell you spares unless you register with them and show your certification card -- so many people died.

There's quite a few new units which will appear on the market within the next year or three. For example, the new "SideWinder 2" which is a sidemount unit and the new Halcyon Symbios chest mount rebreather. There's been a recent FX-CCR chestmount rebreather; also the DiveTalk Go chestmount rebreather; the Triton chestmount has been updated.

Because the rebreather market essentially consists of "men in sheds", there's a surprising number of different units that are currently available, probably more than 20 different units! Most of these micro manufacturers will be building a handful of units per month. Most of them share certain components such as regulators (Apeks), computers (Shearwater), mouthpieces (Drager), bailout valves (Shrimp, etc.).

There's even companies such as TecMe.de that makes loads of spares; Narked at 90 supplying specialist cables, etc., etc.

It's a fun place to be :)
 
offer Dräger CCR for civilians.
They left the non-military market 20 years ago. Why would they reenter it? And even if they did reenter the civilian market by the time they have to: 1) created a unit 2) created a pool of instructor trainers 3) created actual market demand in the region your want-to-be pro instructor friend lives in... Your friend will wither away starving and homeless or age out of scuba diving entirely years before all that.

Nevermind Drager is a huge company (and not the only big scuba company) that intentionally left the recreational CCR market. In fact, your friend is just as likely if not moreso of being left high and dry by a large capitalization scuba company as a small niche manufacturer.
 
"A Recreational Rebreather"

This is like the philosopher's stone of the rebreather market. A rebreather that a semi-skilled diver can use.

Quick aside; SCUBA diving is split into two camps; most people are "recreational" divers, meaning that they dive shallow on simple equipment with no decompression nor overheads (e.g. cave), in essence limited to 40m/132ft and a single tank with one gas. The far smaller group are the "technical" divers who love equipment, training, planning, kit fettling, long decompression times and paying lots of money for lots of kit.

All rebreathers need a lot of preparation and maintenance prior to the dive; strict procedures prior to the dive; constant vigilance during the dive and careful post dive breakdown and cleaning.

The problem with rebreather diving is that you really are a technical diver and need to have the skills, knowledge and attitude to handle all the challenges. There's no such thing as a "recreational" rebreather that relatively untrained divers can dive.

There's been a couple of attempts at creating recreational rebreathers, specifically the Hollis "stormtrooper" and the Mares/Revo unit. Both are doomed to failure as the costs and skills far outweigh the benefits.
 
There's been a couple of attempts at creating recreational rebreathers, specifically the Hollis "stormtrooper" and the Mares/Revo unit. Both are doomed to failure as the costs and skills far outweigh the benefits.
Agreed.
Which Mares/Revo unit are you referring to here? Is it the rEvo III CCR which is a Dräger Dolphin or the new Mares Horizon, which is not a CCR?
 
"A Recreational Rebreather"
This is like the philosopher's stone of the rebreather market. A rebreather that a semi-skilled diver can use.

Quick aside; SCUBA diving is split into two camps; most people are "recreational" divers, meaning that they dive shallow on simple equipment with no decompression nor overheads (e.g. cave), in essence limited to 40m/132ft and a single tank with one gas. The far smaller group are the "technical" divers who love equipment, training, planning, kit fettling, long decompression times and paying lots of money.

The problem with rebreather diving is that you are a technical diver and need to have the skills and knowledge to handle all the challenges.

There's no such thing as a "recreational" rebreather that relatively untrained divers can dive.

There's been a couple of attempts at creating recreational rebreathers, specifically the Hollis "stormtrooper" and the Mares/Revo unit. Both are doomed to failure as the costs and skills far outweigh the benefits.
To follow-up on this: the market is simply far too small to support a large corporation. You get maybe 1-2000 divers per year enter the market, if that, and the number is going down. Maybe half continue past mod1 instead of selling their units? I think Rebreather forum 4 estimated the total market at about 30 000 people?
 
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