Be careful in Bonaire (Burglaries)

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Steve, I don't read that post quite the same. We NEVER really get the full story, even here at home, and often WHAT we do learn from the news available is all wrong, but by the time that comes out it's just old news. Wish we could always learn the full truth, but it simply isn't usually available, until long afterward!

In my profession we have quite often been privy to news and rumor about crime issues within our field and industry, that we could not discuss publicly, even if it would have helped protect some individuals, for legal and ethical reasons, until the authorities have completed their investigations. Nothing prevents us, one on one discussing and quietly passing along warnings to an individual, but until the story is released legal liability is a big issue if anything is put out in the public eye.
 
Steve, I don't read that post quite the same. We NEVER really get the full story, even here at home, and often WHAT we do learn from the news available is all wrong, but by the time that comes out it's just old news. Wish we could always learn the full truth, but it simply isn't usually available, until long afterward!


I am not quite sure what you are saying here. If we NEVER get the full story and we do not share information until the full story comes out.......then we will NEVER share information because it won't be fair to the resorts. Then it will be impossible for a tourist to be informed. I am not saying this thread is where we should name names.....just that to never name names does nobody any good other than the thieves and the resorts.
 
Create a listing and review section to this site... the more vocal you are about it the more chances it will be created...


So who would post there? Why would it be OK for the OP of this thread to post the names there and not here? I am not knocking the idea.....just wanna understand your concept. It is at least an idea to build on.
 
Just so everybody is clear, my discussion about the flow of information is NOT about this specific incident but is more about the digital control people have over the flow of information. I am not chastising the OP of this thread.

To say people should make informed decisions but then withhold information is obviously not a sensible thing to do. I agree that we should only do it in a manner that will allow for a true comparison however if everybody refuses to provide information until everybody else does means we will never have any information.

A good point about OP. There is more useful information that could have gone with the"warning", even if specific names were withheld for now. For sure. I think everyone reading this thread is interested in protecting themselves, their loved ones, and their property, as well as seeing Bonaire solve this crime spree in it's tracks!
 
Bonaire is a wonderful place and I will be coming back as soon as I possibly can. I am not staying where I have the last two times (not as convenient as I would like but otherwise a GREAT spot) so I will be looking for information on new spots (new to me). Hopefully somebody is willing to talk so that I can make an informed decision and not have to rely on the resort (who will give me nothing but a sales pitch).
 
Threads often diverge to other topics and then start including other names, a listing gives all commenters and readers a central location for information. I gives everyone a chance to express their opinions without singling one place out.
 
I am not quite sure what you are saying here. If we NEVER get the full story and we do not share information until the full story comes out.......then we will NEVER share information because it won't be fair to the resorts. Then it will be impossible for a tourist to be informed. I am not saying this thread is where we should name names.....just that to never name names does nobody any good other than the thieves and the resorts.

If, as Liz indicated the police have made arrests I am willing to wait a bit to learn more.

My comment was along the lines of: how do you balance our need to know with the rights of another individual or business to not be slandered or falsely blamed? Yes, I want to know as much as I can, in order to make good choices, but I also know that my wants can't trample someone else's needs and rights, especially if I could be damaging a legal case by sharing privileged information prematurely? not that naming a resort(s) should do much damage to a legal case, but I can see how business owners like Liz could be concerned that rumors and half stories might needlessly and wrongly damage a reputation, before the entire story can be released.

I know that I will be doing quite a bit of PM inquiry before our trip this coming June, to learn as much as I can. I am just saying that I realize that I may have to quietly dig for my information instead of finding it here in public, because this is still a developing criminal case, hopefully!!! I want to see these creeps taking a LONG vacaction in a very small room, and I want to do nothing to damage the ability of the police to make their case.
 
Wow - again?! Clarfrieda, thank you very much for your posts. I am sorry to hear your vacation was so severely harmed.

Some of our Bonaire loving members don't like to see these reports, and some will try to play them down, but it does seem to be a common problem. I am guessing from your post count that while you have been registered as a member here for over a year, you may not log on to read often? I saw where your thread was moved from another forum to this geographic forum, which is also the best place to read about other experiences at the destination. Bonaire is not the only one with a crime problem, but it certainly the most commonly mentioned it seems. Hope you come back to read and maybe discuss future plans.
I just want people to be more prepared than I was. The fact that Bonaire seems relatively safe and quiet gave us a false sense of security. Get the insurance and be diligent with your passports.
Well, that's good advice for any trip I think. Have your belongings insured to your personal comfort level and guard passports very carefully, the latter more so in the last decade - as stolen passports are in higher demand, and US entrance security is at the highest ever. Again, sorry you didn't know that Bonaire is infamous here for such problems, even if you're asleep in the room at times.
Original post sounded totally wrong to me,as that is reason for my call. .Have been to the island 30 times over the years since 1976 and never personally had an incident.I have stayed at Habitat,old sunset beach hotel,Flamingo,Sand dollar,Buddys,Plaza,all multiple times.
I posted before I saw Liz from GRI posted hers.I now believe op as I have personally met with Liz in the past.Thank you Liz for verifing this claim.
:rofl3: You could look over thread titles or :search: But seriously, how can you be that experienced on the island and be that ignorant of how common the problem is? OK, you said it's not happened to you yet; different, but why question that it happened to them - when it is so very common? :dontknow:
However, for those of us running trips to Bonaire, having some insight into which hotels might have security issues would be beneficial information to share with our clients, so please post.

Thanks
See map, click to enlarge Map-of-Bonaire.gif Don't leave anything you want to keep in your vehicle, room or safe without a trusted guard, anywhere - regardless of how many tell you that it's never happened to them. You won't hear from many of the victims here.
Technically it is burglary, not robbery.
He could have said that; some just like to post that you are wrong, even when you're not really. Burglary, robbery, theft while asleep in the same room, ripped off, whatever - just variations in degrees. If you're the victim, it matters little how your personal property, your home, or person were technically assaulted for theft.

Sadly...
This is a common problem there;

Visitors are arriving not knowing about the common problem;

The Kingdom of the Netherlands doesn't seem up to doing much about it, perhaps because of the low crime rates in the home country, perhaps because of the changing status of the relationship between Bonaire, the Netherlands Antilles and the Kingdom is planned for change under proposed legislation, perhaps because the island is already a financial burden - I really do not know, guessing.

The only hope seems to be to well publicize these cases that seemed to be much less discussed anywhere, certainly on Bonaire Talk - where you'll wish you hadn't bothered typing out the story. Hehe this thread there is funny Bonaire Talk: Should we talk about Bonaire crime on scubaboard instead? I think most there have given up on discussing the problem there, and funny someone would even ask there if they should talk here?

And nothing is likely to change until it has to, which may only happen because of threads like this.​
Again, I am sorry about your losses harm to your vacation and thank you again for reporting as only a small percentage of the victims do so here.
 
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This is why our four fathers in the USA decided to give the press unrestricted freedom to get to the bottom of things in order to insure freedom and let the chips fall where they may! A well informed population is trusted to do the right thing based on the facts! How can anyone do that, take precautions to stay safe if the facts are not revealed! What if the underpants bomber was covered up to protect the airlines? It is the same thing! But as we have seen it was not them but a failed security effort! Well the same goes on Bonaire or anywhere else! If it were here you can log on a computer and see the police report or turn to the news, your choice! It seems we don't have one where we are expected to spend our money???? The truth is not slander it is truth! We can be trusted to weigh the information and draw or own conclusions, form our own opinions, modify those by information received!

We are all sorry any crime happens, but it does and will continue until we find ways of mitigating it to a acceptable levels!
 
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