BC Remove and Replace Skill

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That's why tables are provided

Yes, that does make it easier, but it's still another thing to understand. At what point is it overload? Is it even necessary when the simpler rule keeps new divers safe?

It would be nice if nitrox were taught in OW, too -- pretty easy to "just use this other table for bottom time and that table for max depth", right? (Or these days, "set the nitrox amount and just follow your computer".)

The entry-level class simply can't teach it all. It has to find that line of "just enough".
 
I would just like to point out that without this skill a diver who gets entangeled and separated from the buddy has only one alternative.

Sit there and drown.
 
I would just like to point out that without this skill a diver who gets entangeled and separated from the buddy has only one alternative.

Sit there and drown.

Or they can turn around and see what they are caught on and cut the line if they cannot get it untangled from their BC.

Does anyone knows for sure - do they teach BC removal and replace as part of cave or tech classes? I don't remember that being covered.
 
Is it even necessary when the simpler rule keeps new divers safe?
Because in practice it is never used. I teach my students for diving in the real world, and everyone tries to maximize bottom time.
 
I'm sure your students are better for having that knowledge. I guess my perceptions are colored by being mostly in contact with tourist divers in Hawaii and Mexico. The DM does all the gas planning, lol.
 
Are we not told new divers are not taught tables but to use dive computers? Many will not know about gas planning.
You misunderstand what I mean by tables. These are min gas values based on depth. No one does math in their heads. I create a 2 column table from this information:
 
I'm sure your students are better for having that knowledge. I guess my perceptions are colored by being mostly in contact with tourist divers in Hawaii and Mexico. The DM does all the gas planning, lol.
My OW course is one weekend longer so I can address the content here: This is not something they learn/memorize. It is a guide for them to work through to develop a dive plan where they are comfortable with diving with their fellow classmates. It is onerous, excessive, impractical to use on a consistent basis, but thorough. It is only meant to give students confidence that they don't need someone to hold their hands, i.e. actually be an autonomous diver, a standard in which most open water courses fail.

When I open my dive center in Greece and have vacation divers, I'm going to have to figure out how to accomodate that reality. But they need to be autonomous, I won't budge on that.
 
I am not questioning the value of my training. At least, nothing I took after open water class. ...
Are we not talking about your basic OW training and what you did and didn't learn in it? And for someone who stated they didn't even learn BC remove/replace at depth, why are you so opposed to it and concerned that other divers are learning it? Don't like it, don't use it or practice it. Simple. But please know that pretty much every major training agency has it in their basic OW curriculum for a reason and has determined it is a practical skill. And OW students who have received proper training under their agency guidelines are learning all of these skills and more to make them safe, self-sufficient divers.
 
I would just like to point out that without this skill a diver who gets entangeled and separated from the buddy has only one alternative.

Sit there and drown.
I'd guess that few newly certified, heck few experienced, cold water divers in thick wetsuits or dry suits would be able to do this with all the lead on their BCD. They have to know how to pull their kit over their head and maintain control. This simply isn't taught in open water and I expect that it is a rather risky manuever: one mistake, diver goes up, kit goes down.
 
Are we not told new divers are not taught tables but to use dive computers? Many will not know about gas planning.
This is a fact. Tables are pretty much a "familiarization" thing at this point with most agencies. Focus is on how the computer algorithms work, how to set them, and how to properly plan dives with a very basic, entry level computer, etc.
 

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