I guess I didn't know that this thread was more about mid and bottom water column doff an donn.
On the surface doff an donn is obviously necessary or you not going scuba diving.
Mostly just practicing donning in water where I can stand and not put much weight on my spine is what I'm up to.
I think that over the head was done as well in the way back machine, not now.
The shallow water near the beach I figure had a little bit of turbidity and it is not quite as clear as the pool.
Just practicing and knowing without sight of everything and getting it done within a reasonably short enough time, I think is what I'll be doing.
One thing that was done in an indoor pool for my basic open water was in mid water test. The lights turned off and your neutral bouyant about half the way down in the 12 foot end of the pool.
Then they grab your tank and spin you around a couple of times. You have to remain composure to pass the test.
Separate test also in dark they pull the second stage out of your mouth.
As for skills sort of open water, quarry dive they let you go inside a sunked cabin cruzer and car. The opening for the was inside the cabin cruzer I was going to just half take my tank off to make myself narrower and still have second stage hose not stretched. I saw this in the text from the college course. That is what I told them after I was stopped from doing this. Ah, but after getting my PADI, NAUI, and YMCA temp cards and course passed, I was told about sawing a hole in ice and going diving.
I heard from another driver that a snorkel is not necessary for ice diving. Some keep a snorkel but not attached to athe mask. I suppose a skill to attach it while on a dive is a skill. Careful not to loose the keeper, ha ha.