Bashing Each other, It is not necessary. I seem to have done it then I apologize.

[detroit diver]

Well said...

Would you please make up your mind?

 

[beachdivequeenbelam]

Would you please make up your mind?

I posted it to make the others happy, and so that everyone can see why the gentleman said what he did about rec.scuba. It is why I came to this board. TO each his own, including you and yours.

Thanks

 

[simbrooks]

SOOOOO
the question is this, Is there any reason I cannot use this reg for "NORMAL" rec diving above 120 ft.?

THanks

Check out the regs forum for plenty of "views" on regs, there are quite a few that are considered top of the line. To name but a few: Apeks, Scubapro, Poseidon, Zeagle (which i own), Atomic (essentially SP), and a few others. The top of the line regs you want for deeper/colder waters are fairly obvious to spot, they are usually in the $300+ range. Sherwood is a good reg for average rec diving into slightly chillier water, no reason you cant use it for normal rec diving. I would put on the 7ft hose on your primary 2nd stage and bungee up the shorter hosed back up around your neck, just to get used to it before taking cavern whenever you head for that. You sherwood reg should be fine for use in the cavern zone (defined approx as less than 70ft deep, less than 130ft from the entrance and better than 30ft viz (i think) and still within direct view of the exit - at least by the NSS-CDS books i have).

 

[mer]

SOOOOO
the question is this, Is there any reason I cannot use this reg for "NORMAL" rec diving above 120 ft.?

THanks

Yeah, you should be fine for shallow rec dives. I dunno, I'd probably want a high performance reg for stuff over 60', especially in cold water. But that's just me, and I never know when I'll end up in an air share with an air hog at 120 feet on that "recreational" dive.

Originally you were talking about cave diving, or was it tech diving. I don't know about everyone else, but I'm confused.

In short, I think the sherwood reg is the least of your problems.

My sincere advice to you: most of us learn a lot from this board (and others) by lurking and reading. Learn how to use the search feature. When a member tries to direct you to a source of information, go, read, reflect, then search before asking. I'm banding my head against the wall here, but I personally think it's more of a troll to ask a question easily answered by the search feature and reading internet FAQs.

 

[beachdivequeenbelam]

Check out the regs forum for plenty of "views" on regs, there are quite a few that are considered top of the line. To name but a few: Apeks, Scubapro, Poseidon, Zeagle (which i own), Atomic (essentially SP), and a few others. The top of the line regs you want for deeper/colder waters are fairly obvious to spot, they are usually in the $300+ range. Sherwood is a good reg for average rec diving into slightly chillier water, no reason you cant use it for normal rec diving. I would put on the 7ft hose on your primary 2nd stage and bungee up the shorter hosed back up around your neck, just to get used to it before taking cavern whenever you head for that. You sherwood reg should be fine for use in the cavern zone (defined approx as less than 70ft deep, less than 130ft from the entrance and better than 30ft viz (i think) and still within direct view of the exit - at least by the NSS-CDS books i have).

Thanks I appreciate that.
I don't dive if the temp is below 60 degrees. I am just not comfortable in it. I don't have a dry suit so until I do, I should be ok then. I have to save up my money for a year or two or three depending on the cost of the equipment I would need for cave diving.
Thank you so much.

 

[beachdivequeenbelam]

Yeah, you should be fine for shallow rec dives. I dunno, I'd probably want a high performance reg for stuff over 60', especially in cold water. But that's just me, and I never know when I'll end up in an air share with an air hog at 120 feet on that "recreational" dive.

Originally you were talking about cave diving, or was it tech diving. I don't know about everyone else, but I'm confused.

In short, I think the sherwood reg is the least of your problems.

My sincere advice to you: most of us learn a lot from this board (and others) by lurking and reading. Learn how to use the search feature. When a member tries to direct you to a source of information, go, read, reflect, then search before asking. I'm banding my head against the wall here, but I personally think it's more of a troll to ask a question easily answered by the search feature and reading internet FAQs.

Forgive me for not having the experience you have on Scubaboard. I guess any question I would ever have is already answered. So I guess there is no need for me to post anymore since no new info ever gets posted and not too many people want to be helpful and direct a newbie to a decent search or site.
Thank you for your comments.
You have a great day.

 

[beachdivequeenbelam]

Yeah, you should be fine for shallow rec dives. I dunno, I'd probably want a high performance reg for stuff over 60', especially in cold water. But that's just me, and I never know when I'll end up in an air share with an air hog at 120 feet on that "recreational" dive.

Originally you were talking about cave diving, or was it tech diving. I don't know about everyone else, but I'm confused.

In short, I think the sherwood reg is the least of your problems.

My sincere advice to you: most of us learn a lot from this board (and others) by lurking and reading. Learn how to use the search feature. When a member tries to direct you to a source of information, go, read, reflect, then search before asking. I'm banding my head against the wall here, but I personally think it's more of a troll to ask a question easily answered by the search feature and reading internet FAQs.

You have every right to be confused because this thread was about the need to be little nicer to others and not to try to bash them for not knowing as much as others.

 

[simbrooks]

Thanks I appreciate that.
I don't dive if the temp is below 60 degrees. I am just not comfortable in it. I don't have a dry suit so until I do, I should be ok then. I have to save up my money for a year or two or three depending on the cost of the equipment I would need for cave diving.
Thank you so much.

Start at $1000 for doubles (tanks + bands + manifolds), if you havent already got the rest then about $500 for BP/Wings, another $600-800 for regs (two sets), maybe $800-1200 for a drysuit and undies, $200 in reels, $500 for a HID light, then about $400-1000 for instruction (at least), then once you have gotten so far you might want to buy more tanks, more regs, other wings etc etc - its like buying stuff for a rec set-up only 4x more expensive!! I am only 1/3 of the way thru that equipment list and feeling the pinch. Lets just say it aint cheap and saving up is a good idea

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

His post really had nothing to do with DIR. His point was well made, and some folks could learn a lot from reading it.

But it did ... he mentions DIR and WKPP several times. He justifies his outlook by saying, in effect, that's how they do things ...

Ask, don¹t demand. No one owes you anything, and no one's going to justify anything to you. The enemy here is Darwin, and he¹s the only one DIR divers are concerned with. No one cares if you agree or disagree, or if you live or die, because you¹re new, and if you don¹t want to learn, there are other new divers who do. They¹ll get the attention, and the knowledge. You want to be one of them. To paraphrase a real diver, on another forum, "If you're not scootering beside me down A tunnel, ferrying two scooters and four stages, I don't care what you think."

I don't really want to waste my time with someone who thinks like that ... but that's just my opinion.

I do, however, disagree with his premise ... not so much on learning, but on teaching ...

I don't believe learning requires discussion, but I am firmly convinced that learning requires desire, discipline, and drive, all on the part of the student. Learning also requires a teacher who has two traits. One, he must know his subject thoroughly, and two, he must be willing to tolerate the presence of a student. If the student has the drive and desire, being allowed to be present will be enough.

Effective learning is a two-way proposition. The teacher must have more than a tolerance for a student ... the teacher must also have the drive, and desire, to teach. If "tolerance" is the best you can accomplish, you have no business trying to teach anyone anything ... because, as he so appropriately points out, they will only really learn what they are capable of teaching themselves.

It's a well-written piece ... no doubt. But I don't think it's a well thought-out piece. It violates several fundamental principles about effective teaching ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[headhunter]

I'll disagree ... let's leave rec.scuba where it belongs ... there's a reason why so many of us are here, and not there.

Jammer is a classic example of the DIR know-it-all stereotype ... the basic GI3 wannabe that gives DIR and everything associated with it a bad name. Frankly, people like him are the reason why there is so much emnity between the DIR community and the rest of the diving world.

I don't think there's a thing he could teach me ... because he wouldn't be able to get past the fact that I wouldn't be able to stand being around him. He may have knowledge I could benefit from, but he's not worth what it would take to get it out of him.

You can't teach people anything if they are so turned off by your ego that they stop listening to what you have to say.

All the guy really needs is a good mirror ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

Bob,

I don't know Jammer and this is the first and only post I've ever read of his. I'm not familiar with him or the politics of rec.scuba.

I thought it was well written (IMHO). I probably related a bit to the story from the days I spent as an apprentice in the Carpenter's Union.

I've read many of your posts here at SB and you have my respect. So, I'll leave it alone (or to people that understand the issues between the two boards and the personalities involved).

Christian