Banned from diving for a locked out backup computer?

[Jarrett]

Wow, Christi thanks for that! That's probably the best answer I could receive since I will hopefully be diving with your group as frequently as we can get down there Thanks again.

We did get PADI OW/JOW certified at El Cozumeleno. unfortunately we didn't get to keep the materials so I don't have an RDP to reference, but I believe you

That's a great point and idea on how to use the computers and something I completely overlooked. Since I plan on mostly diving nitrox to air calculations on the deeper Cozumel dives, maybe computer brand is irrelevant.

 

[Christi]

...unfortunately we didn't get to keep the materials so I don't have an RDP to reference, but I believe you ...

You are most welcome!

That in itself is a problem...each student should have their own book and RDP. How did you complete the knowledge reviews? I really encourage you to go buy an RDP, or better yet, a wheel from your local dive shop to have in your dive kit. Better yet, buy the crew pack with the log book and get into the habit of logging your dives properly!

 

[Jarrett]

Now coming onto the board and reading about other's OW training and better yet observing OW classes that happen to be diving at the same locations as I do; I've come to find that maybe the training we received wasn't as good as it could have been. That's probably partly why I have become a little excessive on scouring the boards and asking questions to find out what we may have missed. I'm planning on taking the AOW and Rescue classes locally and hope they will fill in the holes that may exist.

So far I have been relying on my dive computer to be able to download my dive history to my PC. So far, it hasn't worked that well but I am continuing to work on it.

 

[shooter226]

I consider dive boats to be taxi rides. They have no business telling me how to dive. A VR3 computer will not lock you out no matter what. Is it OK then? Most boat operators do not have as much experience as me or the people I dive with. Nor do they have the equipment or knowledge either. Decompressing is no big deal. Not doing it is! Plus it gives you time to play games on your VR3. Knowing what you are doing should not be a handicap.

Don't lay that liability crap out, you sign a release to dive on all the boats that I have been on. It's their job to get you out and back safely, not to teach or condemn your diving technique or skills.

 

[Christi]

I consider dive boats to be taxi rides. They have no business telling me how to dive. A VR3 computer will not lock you out no matter what. Is it OK then? Most boat operators do not have as much experience as me or the people I dive with. Nor do they have the equipment or knowledge either. Decompressing is no big deal. Not doing it is! Plus it gives you time to play games on your VR3. Knowing what you are doing should not be a handicap.

Don't lay that liability crap out, you sign a release to dive on all the boats that I have been on. It's their job to get you out and back safely, not to teach or condemn your diving technique or skills.

I beg to differ on a few points...and I also agree with you on some points.

I see in your dive profile that you are a manager of a dive shop. Do you have rules and policies at the shop? Well, so do dive boat operators. You want to dive with a shop, you play by their rules or you go somewhere else...simple as that. So in that respect, yes, they can and do have the business of enforcing their policies, whatever they may be. You choose to disrespect those policies and disrespect the crew because you "have more experience and you know more" you'll most likely be taking a taxi back from the dock.

Furthermore, you should know as well as any other instructor that those releases only protect you to a certain extent...and it doesn't immunize you from being sued or held liable.

As a dive professionals we are supposed to be positive role models, not arrogant and condescending to those with less experience.

I agree with you that getting your computer into a deco obligation in itself is not the end of the world...not fulfilling that deco obligation is another matter.

 

[GreenDiverDown]

I consider dive boats to be taxi rides. They have no business telling me how to dive. A VR3 computer will not lock you out no matter what. Is it OK then? Most boat operators do not have as much experience as me or the people I dive with. Nor do they have the equipment or knowledge either. Decompressing is no big deal. Not doing it is! Plus it gives you time to play games on your VR3. Knowing what you are doing should not be a handicap.

Don't lay that liability crap out, you sign a release to dive on all the boats that I have been on. It's their job to get you out and back safely, not to teach or condemn your diving technique or skills.

Most operators don't want to know your profile. The less they know the less their liability. Remember the days when you got the, "depth and time" thing as you climbed out of the water. Now, a simple role call seems to be preferred.

 

[GreenDiverDown]

Don't lay that liability crap out, you sign a release to dive on all the boats that I have been on. It's their job to get you out and back safely, not to teach or condemn your diving technique or skills.

I agree...its not their job to teach or condemn.

But if it is brought to my attention that a diver has locked out his computer, I may...depending on the situation...not let that diver dive.

 

[Web Monkey]

I agree...its not their job to teach or condemn.

But if it is brought to my attention that a diver has locked out his computer, I may...depending on the situation...not let that diver dive.

Excluding hardware failure and incorrect settings, a locked out computer means that the user has exceeded what the manufacturer believes to be moderately safe dive parameters.

It may be because of CNS clock, blown deco stops, exceeded NDL, or anything else the computer is monitoring, however the bottom line is that it's doing it's best to not get the user bent or killed.

If the computer is locked out, the diver shouldn't even WANT to dive any more that day. This isn't asking your mother if you can stay up late, this is physics and biology.

Who in their right mind would want to jump right back in after locking out a computer? Just being a bonehead is reason enough to not let them back in.

Terry

 

[GreenDiverDown]

Excluding hardware failure and incorrect settings...

...and is the reason for my post.

 

[Snowbear]

A computer can't keep you safe. It only makes recomendations YOU keep yourself safe.
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Just remember though, that thing doesn't care a rats petuti if you get bent or not - It's up to YOU to understand what information the computer is giving , why it's giving you that info and what that data means.

Sounds an awful lot like a DIR answer there, CIB