Banded/Unbanded Debate

Bungied, or banded wings, or BWOD's

  • Yes, I dive a banded wing.

    Votes: 22 29.3%
  • No, I do not dive a banded wing.

    Votes: 32 42.7%
  • I don't care.

    Votes: 16 21.3%
  • BWOD's are fierce predators.

    Votes: 5 6.7%

  • Total voters
    75
  • Poll closed .

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JeffG:
I'm going to start diving with fishnet stockings over my drysuit
Don't knock it till you've tried it ... :D

Those who were out on a certain boat trip with me will know what I'm referring to ... I believe there are still pictures floating around somewhere ... :11:

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
NWGratefulDiver:
Don't knock it till you've tried it ... :D

Those who were out on a certain boat trip with me will know what I'm referring to ... I believe there are still pictures floating around somewhere ... :11:

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
Some scary pictures from Bonaire perhaps?
 
JeffG:
Some scary pictures from Bonaire perhaps?
Uh uh ... scary pictures from Puget Sound ... :D

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
Dan Gibson:
This is not an advantage of the bungeed wing. You can do the same thing with a non bungeed wing to balance out multiple stages if necessary. Therefore, there is no advantage to the bungeed wing in this case. In addition, the term balanced rig has nothing to do with roll.

Please enlighten me since I don't use a sling bottle or stage.
How you do this with the unbanded wing?
Maybe I picked the wrong term, maybe not, but I meant to express that my rig has more or less the same weight on both sides and my rig doesn't roll. Is that better? did you understood my point now?
Sorry if I used the wrong term, but I think that you got the message when I described it before.
 
pants!:
Well if you don't believe me, try it yourself.

Go to 100' in your doubles, and at depth, press and hold the deflate button on your inflator of your bungied wings.


And this is bad? The deflate button causes your wings to deflate??

This topic is so much fun
 
It's very easy to roll to one side with a non bungeed wing to permit some of the air to travel from one side to the other. Not all the gas will suddenly travel from one side to the other. If you are significantly heavier on one side (i.e. try using a 72 cft steeel O2 bottle and you will likely feel a little lopsided) you can just make an adjustment. Typically I just use AL deco and stage bottles, so I don't have to much of an issue anyway. Bungees do nothing that would make them advantageous over non bungeed wings in this case. It can be done with either style.

The balanced rig concept is completely different. There is probably a zillion posts on this board about this subject. It doesn't make a lot of sense to keep adding to it. Yes, I knew what you meant the first time, I just thought it best to mention it so others with little experience were not confused.

Mandy3206:
Please enlighten me since I don't use a sling bottle or stage.
How you do this with the unbanded wing?
Maybe I picked the wrong term, maybe not, but I meant to express that my rig has more or less the same weight on both sides and my rig doesn't roll. Is that better? did you understood my point now?
Sorry if I used the wrong term, but I think that you got the message when I described it before.
 
186 posts (not including mine)... now how did I miss all of the fun???

I have dove both types of wings.

I never had an issue orally inflating either.

I never had a bungee snag, though I did puncture my BWOD on a wreck. However, I did not die and had no problem with maintaining neutral bouyancy (I did have to add air as I would have to do with a conventional wing).

When I went to the flappy version of wings, I had to learn how to AVOID massive air shifts. Something that I did not have to worry about with the BWOD. Now I avoid diving with one side up (Like along the hull of a boat) lest an errant shift throw me off balance. Maybe it's time to buy another BWOD, but I like Tobin's wings and will continue with them.

I also enjoyed the lack of water in my BWOD after a dive. The deflation was consistent and was not contingent on my attitude in the water. No shifting to get the air by whatever dump I was planning on using... just hit the deflator and the air came gently out with no delay. The slight positive pressure kept out the water.

To date, I have never heard of ANYONE who has been injured by a BWOD. Of course, there are those who refuse to maintain their gear and they imperil everyone when their gear fails in service. You can come up with a slew of "what-ifs" for just about ANY piece of equipment if you get creative enough. However, when these "what-ifs" fail to materialize, it's time to stop presenting them as fact.

A few have asked for benefits of the BWOD. One of these has already been proferred in this thread but apparently on deaf ears. I contend that preference is indeed the mitigating factor here. There is no factual support for many of the contentions no matter how strongly they are believed and I certainly have not seen a "host" of problems that the BWOD presents to the uninitiated diver. But conjecture makes for an interesting message board. :D
 
To me, seems that only 2 or maybe 3 antibungie posters heated up and refuse to accept any reasons why the preference of the banded wings.

These 2 or 3 individuals are clearly biased against the banded design and therefore loose credibility.

Same happens with the pro banded who may try to shove the banded wing on someone, but I haven't seen any on this debate, just a couple of hardcore pro banded wing advocates that heated up when the blinds refuse to see further than their noses.

As I said before, if you don't like the banded wing and think is just crap and bla, bla, bla, then don't use it but leave us banded users alone, we don't want to change and many people will get brand new banded wings in the yrs to come so get over it.

If you want o have credibility, then try to express yourself as objective as posible and never take it personal, that way you may convince other divers that you got a point.

I never try to shove my dive style or dive gear to anyone, I can show it to you and tell you why I like it, but it's up to you to buy it or get something else for your type or style of diving.

As I said before, I respect DIR, GUE and Hogartian styles, but I pick what I like from those styles and adapt it to my diving, if it doesn't work, then I discard it and try something else.

I like to be free to choose what I want and not be in a straight jacket like some people seems to be, think, use your brain and decide what's best for you.
 
Mandy3206:
To me, seems that only 2 or maybe 3 antibungie posters heated up and refuse to accept any reasons why the preference of the banded wings.

These 2 or 3 individuals are clearly biased against the banded design and therefore loose credibility.

...etc...

Nice combination of a strawman argument and personal attack...

I think I'm done with this thread...
 

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