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BigJetDriver69:There you go, folks. Poll is open. And just a reminder from the Staff, spirited bun-fignts (as the Brits say) are welcome. Just keep it polite, and not personal.
Let the mayhem continue!
R. Davie
Scuba Board Staff
Zero:Hey Mr. Moderator,
I thought it was proper protocol to wait for person who started the thread before startingthe poll!
You quite correctly point out possible problems with spring straps, hoses and regulators. Now, unlike the bungee wing crowd, I'm not going to go *nah nah nah, I can't hear you*. I'll acknowledge that those are real problems and we should discuss the introduction of those problems versus the potential benefit of those pieces of equipment. I know that simply denying that the problem exists solves nothing, ESPECIALLY in the face of evidence that the problems DO exist. However, this isn't the note to discuss those topics, so please establish seperate notes for the discussion of those topics if you like.Sideband:
Ah, but in this particular case it DOES mean it's faulty. It's faulty is because the alternative is to NOT have that piece of equipment at all and therefore NOT have all the accompanying problems and issues that is inherent in that piece of equipment. Note we're discussing the existence of bungees or not, it's that simple -- the existence of a piece of equipment or not. Your hose example is an excellent counter example in this regard -- we can discuss short vs. long hose and how a failure in one or the other may shape your decision on which to use, but one or the other is a required piece of equipment -- unlike bungees. If a piece of UNNECESSARY equipment INTRODUCES failure modes and solves no problems, it is, by definition, a faulty piece of equipment.Sideband:
So I saw no advantages listed for bungees. You state that the dumping is the same, and you're just as streamlined.Rick Murchison:I own three wings...
Dive-Rite Travel wing - it has an elasticized fabric outside the bladder which helps squeeze the air out - out of the water.
Dive-Rite Rec wing - it has a "half bungee" arrangement to help keep the wing from tacoing around a single tank, or tacoing too much when used with sidemount
Dive-Rite Classic wing - no bungee at all.
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The idea that a bungeed wing will squeeze the air out of the wing regardless of position should the inflator fail open - in the case of these wings - is just so much bunk. There is perhaps a slight squeeze, but it ain't enough to make any appreciable difference. If the leaky inflator is held as the low point in the system the wing will hold air just fine, bungeed or not. Instead of just thinking about it I've tried it. Dumping a bungeed wing takes the same valve positioning as dumping an unbungeed wing. Differential water pressure far outstrips the squeezing power of the bungees. Maybe the OMS BWOD can do it, but the Rec wing won't.
As for streamlining, I personally can't tell which wing I'm wearing from the way they swim. 'Course the Lovely Young Kat says I'm insensitive...
Rick
I generalized nothing. I answerd your question. In fact, many people have pointed out that the have no problems orally inflating bungied wings, and I beleive them as you beleive me. What we CAN conclude is that the problem CAN happen with bungied wings, which is my only point. And it CAN'T happen with unbungeed wings (if you feel otherwise, please post your reasoning).BigJetDriver69:
Could you, could SOMEONE post an OPINION as to why they think that bungeed wings are better? SOME positive comment on what bungee wings do for you that makes them a better choice over non-bungeed wings! Please!BigJetDriver69:
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I'm not asking for a scientific justification, all I'm asking for is what does any user think banded wings do better than unbanded wings?BigJetDriver69:
