Banded/Unbanded Debate

[xiSkiGuy]

I notice that the most vocal opponents of the bungeed wings in this thread (Pants!, Lamont, JeffG, and roakey) all list GUE as a training agency on their profiles. I’ve never done any GUE training, so I don’t want to speak for what GUE is or isn’t, but in my understanding a premium is placed on simplicity and a lack of failure points. I’ll hazard a generalization that those of us who use the bungeed wing don’t place the same premium on this. I know Mandy3206, Rick Murchison, and myself all dive (at least part of the time) with harnesses that have quick releases (failure points). I don’t personally think one approach or the other is better, just better for the individual. To each his own. . .

I picked the Bungeed wing because I’ve tried both and I prefer the OMS. Thus far, only roakey claims to have actually used a bungeed wing.

 

[lamont]

But perhaps we are not looking at the same images?????......the underwater taco's that can cause flipping,

Does not actually happen. now you're being hypothetical with no 'scientific evidence'.

the huge excess material that can get snagged or tangled

Also not a big issue in practice.

and also cause bad drag,

No scientific evidence here, and there's the whole 'smooth surface vs. rough surface' debate, and there's the fact that non-scooter divers probably don't notice either way.

the irregular air pockets lifting/tilting the diver to one side or another promoting bad trim and uncontrolled movements

Also, all not actually observed.

....those are all normal??? WOW! I would consider those more of an issue then the silly bands.

But perhaps there are double standards? Or are they the norm in those circles?

I think we've found the double standard. Its the people who scream about how there's no scientific evidence of any of the issues with bungee wings and then go off about non-bungee wings flip divers over so that clearly bungee wings are better.

And wasn't that the basis for a lot the posters above that implied problems yet never dove or saw bungeed wings in action?

Apparently you've never dove non-bungee wings. Or you had some kind of traumatic experience with a non-bungee wing early in your diving career and still haven't gotten over the shock or something...

 

[lamont]

YES!!! but bungees do not add complexity any more then long hoses, spring heels, isolation manifolds, dual regs, dry suits, canister lights and cords, reels.....etc. :11:

long hoses solve problems, spring straps solve problems, manifolds solve problems, dual regs solve problems, dry suits solve problems, can lights solve problems, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc....

what problem do bungee wings solve?

 

[JeffG]

I picked the Bungeed wing because I’ve tried both and I prefer the OMS. Thus far, only roakey claims to have actually used a bungeed wing.

Actually, I am now convinced. I'm going to start diving with fishnet stockings over my drysuit, and this has nothing to do with liking to wear fishnet stockings.

 

[Tamas]

BINGO!!!!! You just answered you own issues and saw through your own allegations. Thank you lamont for being the obvious one to see and understand my sarcasm with that point.

Or as Roakey said earlier, and I quote:

Bingo! Just the back pedaling I predicted! Thank you for following through, you bungee folks are so predictable (this discussion has happened at least a half a dozen times before on this board, always with the same results).

perhaps we are not as predictable as you un-bungeed folks are

 

[Tamas]

long hoses solve problems, spring straps solve problems, manifolds solve problems, dual regs solve problems, dry suits solve problems, can lights solve problems, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc....

what problem do bungee wings solve?

oh god!!! not this @#@!$!@#$%!$~@!#$!@# thing again!

Why don't you ALL GUE/DIR people go and talk to your own cult and leave us non-GUE/DIR people alone.....if I want you to preach to me, I will seek you out if I want to and then you call sell me on all of your *great* methods and theories.....but do not knock at my door trying to convince me of your ways, because I will just slam it like I do on another pestering group of followers

 

[xiSkiGuy]

oh god!!! not this @#@!$!@#$%!$~@!#$!@# thing again!

Why don't you ALL GUE/DIR people go and talk to your own cult and leave us non-GUE/DIR people alone.....if I want you to preach to me, I will seek you out if I want to and then you call sell me on all of your *great* methods and theories.....but do not knock at my door trying to convince me of your ways, because I will just slam it like I do on another pestering group of followers

Easy buddy. The original poster did request this debate. There are different philosophies in play, but there is nothing wrong with that.

 

[Tamas]

Easy buddy. The original poster did request this debate. There are different philosophies in play, but there is nothing wrong with that.

I had enough.....it's like trying to convince people that the Earth is not flat. Trying to explain something to people that cannot see past their cocoons of ignorance and enforced believes. Looping back to the same question/answer with no understanding of the whole picture.

 

[JeffG]

but there is nothing wrong with that.

He seems to think so. I know I'm not overly worked up about this issue.

 

[JeffG]

I had enough.....it's like trying to convince people that the Earth is not flat.

But our religion tells us its flat.